My opinion was different than others, but same as the floors....???

[TxRedMan]

wynn 5/10

Player 1 is the SB, player 2 is UTG, player 3 is in MP.

Player 1 has $10,000, player 2 about $6000, player 3 about $700.

Unraised pot.

Flop

2-4-7 two diamonds

Player 1 checks, player 2 bets $50, player 3 raises to $100, player 1 calls, player 2 re-raises to $350.

At this point player 3 is still stacking chips from a pot she dragged where she was almost all-in. She thinks for a second then proceeds to count out her chips in front of her cards. She stacks them into $100 stacks ($10 chips)and then pauses once she has them stacked. They're about nine inches in front of her cards. After she's done stacking her chips and presumable counting them, she pauses for a second, then player 2 wants to know what she's doing. Then player 1 says that what she just did constitutes a call. Player 3 says she was counting her chips and she's still deciding her action. Player 2 now says that she has to at least call the additional raise. The floor is called and while we're waiting on the floor player 3 mucks her hand.

The floor rules it isn't a call, the other two players adamantly disagree and call it at best a total angle shoot.


The chips were in front of her cards, and she did move them forward when she went to count/stack them.

At what point is forward motion defined?

Fwiw, player 3 did seem to be counting her chips, but she also also moved them forward of her cards to do so, then mucked her hand when they called the floor on her.

Her chips were definitely out of her "space" so to speak, i.e., they weren't in the middle of the table, but they were about a foot in front of where most players keep their chips, but she never verbally declared her action, and the other players didnt say anything until she had counted out all $600 remaining chips, which would mean it would have to be ruled some sort of string bet anyways, because she went back for more chips from the pile about ten times.

WTF.

I thought it was just a novice player/no call, the others thought it was an angle shoot/call.


-Tex