200: AKs in the BB and the world wants a flop

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Tell me about these opponents. Do you have a range for them to call a big raise like that?

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They both were playing fairly tightly and raising pf very infrequently. Both passive postflop as well.

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Well, that wasn't that helpful [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I am having trouble putting them on a range I like. Calling that big raise makes them likely too loose, but you say they are fairly tight. Suppose they have exactly JJ-22. (Too restrictive, I know.) Then we will lose money from here if we get all-in even if they will always fold without a set. Since I doubt TT+ would fold, it is even worse. They might even go ahead and call with any pair hoping you have your exact hand. (That play is consistent with that pre-flop call.) Now, if they sometimes have an ace or some other silliness, then we might make money by betting (even getting folds from those guys).

In short, I think it depends on what "fairly tight" means in the context of calling that pre-flop raise. There seem to be reasonable ranges which make checking reasonable.

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Octopus:

I think this is a well thought out response, and exactly where I'm at with it as well. They were both running 20/2/1. We have to understand that their calls were made before they got to see how the rest of the field would respond. To me, this indicates some committment to moving forward and I also think it leans them more towards pps.

I would like to hear some discussion from others who want to cbet on what Octopus has written here.

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We do?

If they fold to any flop that they don't spike a set on we will win the pot about 80% of the time and lose about 20% of the time.

This will be the scenario a lot of underpairs will have a hard time calling on a lot of flops.