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Old 08-21-2007, 09:27 PM
allhappythoughts allhappythoughts is offline
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Default Re: $27 butchered AK.. flame away. 4bet shove PF?

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you usually have very little FE against those sorts of structured re-raises, it is often AA or KK and even if it isn't, I don't think you have pot odds to take the wrong end of a flip here.

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Then why call the preflop reraise?

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Because if you just flat call and the flop comes A or K high, you get your chips in knowing that you're ahead of TT-QQ (and other lower PPs). I'd be happier getting it in on an A high rather than K high flop obv.

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I hate flat calling, personally. If he has a lower PP, it's quite possible a majority of the time he'll shut down and we won't gain any more chips. Shoving at least forces him to get his chips in the pot. Anyway, look at the possibilities:

If we call, and it comes out A or K high, we bet out and he folds some of the time. We gain ~500 chips these times. If he has AA or KK, we're screwed and lose all of our chips. If he has TT-QQ, then he might c/f it and we won't gain anything else.

If we call, and it comes out no K or A, we fold and lose ~1/3 of our stack for the call.

If we push, and it comes out A or K high, we get stacked off by villain when he has a lower PP, a lower ace. We lose our chips anyway when he has AA or KK. We also lose our chips, of course, when the A or K miss. But AK plays better seeing 5 cards, calling off 1/3 of our stack seems bad to me. I should run the numbers but I'm pretty sure that this would be a shove/fold situation.

If we push and he folds, we win the pot. (not likely).

Seems like you should shove if you want to play. But I might try and wait for a better spot.
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