VH1's "The Pick up Artist"

[RayPowers]

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This is untrue and irrelevant as it doesn't have to do with his method but with him. If your gripe is that Mystery doesn't stay in long term relationships long enough...there are dozens of counter examples among the PUAs he taught, Neil Strauss being a notable example.

There is no lack of evidence that his "method" helps men create relationships. From your posts you seemed quite familiar with his model and concepts but saying it only establishes attraction leads me to believe you don't understand it at all. If you're point is merely that it doesn't cover relationship dynamics once a sexual relationship is in place, you are correct, that is outside the scope of the pickup community (although initial forays as I've mentioned somewhere are taking place).

But it's important to note that distinction. The pickup community provides for laying a groundwork to help men seek whatever type of relationship they want with women.


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I hate leaving for the night, then the thread is so buried I forget to look for it the next day.

I think Neil Straus is not a good counter example because I don't think he uses anything beyond a very basic Mystery type opener. Mystery certainly started him out, but I think his methods have diverted quite a bit beyond that.

Saying I don't understand things is probably not fair to me at all, but saying I don't know what they currently work on, you may be right. I was "really into this" quite a long time ago, and have barely a passing interest any more. Keep in mind I was reading this when Maniac High was king, and Mystery had just begun to enter the scene. Still, I'd say something like Ross's methods is more likely to help in generating relationships than Mystery's.

Yes, my point is that it does not cover much past that, but I also argue that it is NOT outside the scope of the PUA community. I believe there's a lot more to be gleaned from the things that have and have not worked for guys beyond the "get them in bed" area that admittedly a lot of them stop at.


Ray