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Old 08-12-2007, 02:38 PM
Norb Norb is offline
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Default 6max Limit + very loose/passive opponents = big problem

I'm playing now since a while 6max Limit and my average win rate is between 1.5 and 2BB/100, what I don't consider satisfying. My biggest problem at the moment is a special kind of very loose passive and unpredictable opponent that should be very profitable according to the litearture but I really can't beat them. No way!

I'd like to talk about one special person. He is really the prototype of those opponents. Let me call him Mr. X.

Mr. X is a regular in my favourite online 6max Limit Hold'em game. I have already played a few numbers of games against him and I have collected all those played hands in my Pokertracker database. He plays very, very loose and position seems to be a foreign word to him. Although he seems obviously preferring high and suited cards, he plays nearly anything from any position. He raises only seldom preflop and only very strong starting hands. But this is not predictable. But the biggest problem for me is his postflop play. If he hits something or not, he always checks and calls, even with monster hands. Sometimes he bet out but even in this case it is very unpredictable to imagine what he might hold. Sometimes he bets out with 2. pair and sometimes he c/c a flopped set. I can not dig into his mind but it seems that his major directive is to obfuscate his play. Only one thing is very predictable, he never (!) folds a hand! Really never, I have analysed all his played hands.

I consider my postflop playing skills to be quite well but it is impossible to gain any information from Mr. X by betting and raising. Therefore my only advantage is my preflop hand selection but this will be compensated because Mr. X will always gain if I fold my hand if I don't hit the flop well enough and my hand doesn't have any chance of improving. And it is really astonishing, how often Mr. X hits some kind of miracle monster hand with his kind of play!

It sounds crazy but I have no advantage against players like Mr. X! If there are multiple opponents like Mr. X are against me it's even getting worse. Their combined outs are really unbeatable in a family pot!

How can I play successfully against Mr. X and his fellows in a 6max limit game? If I play full ring Limit or 6max No Limit Hold'em, those opponents are really no problem because my strong hands will be payed off but 6max Limit is a really horrible game if you are against such an enemy. Should I just simply avoid Mr. X and his companions?

If somebody could give me some usefull hints, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks a lot in advance for your help!

Best regards, Norbert
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