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Old 08-02-2007, 12:14 PM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
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Default Re: I\'m in ur flopz, holding top pairz

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So what here is better option - check/fold after raise or donk flop/fold after 3bet?

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I don't like donking here at all. I'd rather use the relative position of having the PFR on our left to see how the rest of the table is going to respond.

If I donk into a PFR, it's because I really want to put in 3 bets instead of 2.

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scenario #1

what u do at flop when PFR bet and rest villians fold - call or c/r?
If u just call at flop u probably have to donk safe turn to doesnt give him free card to improve his overcards.

Its why i prefer HU flop c/r and lead turn, and fold after turn raise probably.

scenario #2

PFR bet and MP3 call ... what u do here ? If both villiands still drawing u cant give free card at turn so call flop and donk safe turn or c/r flop and lead turn?

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HU, I'm almost always check-raising. If I there is just one caller, I might check-raise anyway, or call and then donk the turn, depending on the perceived hand range for the caller. With multiple callers, I'm almost certainly just calling to see what the turn card brings.

If it comes back for two bets, I fold my top pair, relatively weak kicker.

The problem with donking is that unless you have a read that tells you PFR will raise overcards, most of the time you get a result that is no better than letting him lead out himself. If he has AK, then you end up with one bet going in from a bunch of players, which is roughly the same whether you bet or he bets. If he raises, you end up shutting out the rest of the field when you're drawing to a 3 or 5 outer, depending on what hand villain holds (AQ/KQ/AA/KK).
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