Pooh-Bah Post: Playing Junk From Late Position

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Yeah but the raise is pure -EV if you are just trying to extract money from a bluffer. What does he call you with.

[/ QUOTE ]He calls me with draws or he decides to float the c/r with bottom pair or air because he doesn't believe me as checkraises are supposed to be bluffs here.

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Just call and check again if you think he has 3-4 outs on average and will hang himself. You are not giving a free card by calling.

[/ QUOTE ]What if the board is so wet I will hate a lot of turns, but I believe that unless he's on a draw then I am crushing his range?

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The answer to your second question is no. You are OOP with a dangerous hand. The mission is keep the pot small. Check/raising with a low overpair in these spots is very bad unless you are working a line that does not get its value from your holding (i.e. bluffing). This is very basic TOP type stuff unless I am missing your point.

[/ QUOTE ]I think the point was that I am being a tad results oriented as the blind stealer in the hand I was referring to had an OESD and thus checkraising would have been good against that particular holding. That does not necessarily mean it is good against his range.

Still, if our overpair figures to be the best but we believe villain has more outs (e.g., 6 to 8 and we will not know which ones; so tons of bluff outs) but will still cbet with the majority of his range, isn't checkraising best?

Or to rephrase the question: I see your point about keeping pots small with one pair hands, but I am not convinced that there isn't a situation where a checkraise for value/protection is best even though we hold a one-pair hand.

Do you see what I'm saying?