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Old 07-01-2007, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: KK preflop/flop play...deep stack 25/50 live nyc...

Just something to keep in mind, we're be getting a bit over 3-1 on a call if button shoved over our 5 bet, so I don't think folding is an option (considering we're 4-1 dog against AA) at that point. Honestly I really hate your 5 bet if you're folding to a shove, or if you think your 5 bet is going to fold out everything but AA. You know what I mean?

Also, is this a full table or shorthanded? I think that changes the dynamics of the hand quite a bit.

I really don't think postflop is that interesting considering we have less than a half pot sized bet left here, although I suppose it does get tricky on an Axx or Qxx flop. Still, with the history of him calling your 4 bet with AQ and then he saw you double barrell in a reraised pot before so I doubt he gives you much credit, and therefore will committ with weaker hands than normal against you.

On a Qxx flop, I think your only moves are shoving or check/folding, personally. Can you really expect him to even have a hand to bluff with, let alone follow through with it this deep? I don't think so, and I'd probably shove here,

Axx is interesting, but I'd probably just check it and hope to see a showdown. I doubt he would turn QQ/JJ into a bluff, as I just don't think he'll think advanced enough to do that.

Low card flop seems like a pretty easy shove to me, I guess you can check call if you think he'll bluff at it. Either way I'm not folding now given how you got here.

Personally I would have just called the 4 bet from MP, but that does put us into some really tricky spots postflop. I also might consider folding with the right read. You just have to wonder how often button is committing with less than AA for 550bbs. I honestly hate your 5 bet with a standard image against most reasonable opponents this deep, you're just asking to lose the maximum against AA and win the minimum against hands you beat like QQ/JJ/AK.
 


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