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Old 06-16-2007, 03:20 PM
monkover monkover is offline
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Default cold-calling vs. 3-betting preflop with pp (1010+)

Two weeks ago I went on holiday to Italy and withdrew all my monies from party. When I came back and was browsing 2p2 I decided it would be a good idea not to redeposit again for about another month but do a month worth of intensive studying instead.
Thus far I have come across many concepts I had never been aware of before.
One of those I found in one of Pokey´s more recent posts. It´s actually pretty simple but imo it will be highly +ev for me!

Calling vs. raising with big pairs (1010+) in position

This concept probably isn’t new to most of the posters that have been around for a long time and thinking about the game quite a lot.


1. Playing against weak-tight nits (e.g. 12/6)

Let´s assume we are in position. Villain is on the CO and raises to 4bb we’re on the button. Hero is next to act on the button with JJ. What is the correct play? Villain has a very tight preflop raising range and more than 50% of the time an overcard is going to flop this apparently makes our hand quite vulnerable b/c villain will very often hold two overcards to our 10s and the pot is only going to become big if
- villain hits tp and we hit a set or
- 1 overcard flops and we call a bet on the flop

and we don´t have the implied odds to play our pocket Js against a tight nit so we just better take the pot down right now or hope to win 24 bb by cbetting on the flop. (If villain calls we prob have to give up.)
so raise the [censored] up! So far so good this has always been my default play.

2. Playing against loose + aggressive donks (e.g. 45/25/6)

We are yet again in position and villain raises from MP, CO folds and we are left to act on the button with QQ. Here my play deviates from my “old” default play. I always used to re-raise a hand like this one even in position. But in this case I prefer a call now. Why? Actually pretty apparent too: villain’s prelop raising range is huge: something like 25% = "any pair, any suited broadway, any ace, any suited connectors 54s+, KQo" ( copied that from pokey´s hand reading guide J) So we can say we definitely are ahead of villain´s range here!
Post flop you can expect get a lot of action from villain if you like the flop. Sometimes you will have to fold but the majority of the time you´ll have the better hand and villain is going to do the betting for you.

How would this change for pocket 10s? I wouldn´t advise only calling preflop b/c the 10s are way more vulnerable than our QQ and prob can´t take the heat villain is going to give you, so raise it up!

3. Playing against calling stations (e.g. 40/3/0,7)

These players are usually the most fun J when they start betting you know you can fold all but your strongest holdings thus they are ideal victims for the “calling preflop with big hands thingy”
An example a calling station calls in mp you wake up in the CO with KK calling obviously is the best option. If you raised preflop this usually even alarms the b average station. I found out that many stations are afraid of preflop raises but will call you down very lightly in limped pots so rasing preflop is prob not a good idea. So just limp behind and try to make the maximum post flop. Sometimes you´ll find calling stations though that call your raise or 3 bet preflop and still decide to call you down. This is a very valuable read.


So the main factors you have to think about when deciding whether to call or to raise are your opponents limping-/ openraisingranges and reads you have on them, how vulnerable your hand is(1010 obv more than KK) and your position (in all my examples hero was in position)




I hope I got everything right so far (would otherwise really suck!) but if anything is wrong please tell me in this thread.
Cheers 4 now monkover
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