Pushing with Big draws, are these spews?

schick · #1 03-01-2006, 02:00 AM

I'm really not certain I have folding equity in these spots. I know many of you advocate shoving in these spots, but I'm questioning if it's right or not. It's probably just because I'm running bad. I've shoved with AKs, AQs, and combo draws approximately 12 times, and have been called by TP twice, had 2 folds, and been called by sets the other 8 times. Are these two spots places where I should shove, or simply call?

In both hands I have no real reads on Villians, I have not played with them before and have only been at the table for one or two orbits.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP1 ($262.80)
MP2 ($550.35)
MP3 ($182.55)
CO ($381.55)
Button ($204.85)
Hero ($204.75)
BB ($208)
UTG ($219.60)
UTG+1 ($292.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls $2, 1 fold, MP3 calls $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets $9, BB folds, MP1 raises to $18, MP3 folds, Button calls $18, Hero raises to $202.75, MP1 calls $184.75, Button calls $184.75.

Turn: ($618.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 bets $2, Button calls $0.10 (All-In).

River: ($620.35) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $620.35

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB ($32.80)
UTG ($44)
UTG+1 ($253.30)
MP1 ($118.45)
MP2 ($293.45)
MP3 ($30.40)
CO ($210.85)
Button ($90.65)
Hero ($202)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 raises to $4, CO calls $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($16) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $6, MP3 folds, CO raises to $12, Hero raises to $198, BB calls $22.80 (All-In), CO calls $186.

Turn: ($440.80) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($440.80) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $440.80

Thanks for any ideas. I'm pretty sure I've just had horrible luck in these spots, as I keep running into sets and that moving in is the best option. However, if the opponents do have sets in pots like this, then simply calling and seeing a turn would be a better option since they are laying me such great odds.