Mr. Gatorade’s Lies cost me over 70k at Full Tilt

[Josem]

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I think you did miss something, the only one of your points that I feel is valid 'no opportunity to defend themself', however this being said since the evidence was so damning I can see why this wasn't offered.

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I haven't seen this evidence that is so damning. I might just be a muppet and totally clueless, but I can't see it. Can someone please link me to it?

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1.) As other have said this isn't court, a hearing doesn't apply.

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The fact that FTP is not a court makes no difference to this.

Here are links to disciplinary/dispute procedures at a few Australian organisations. I have chosen these as examples because I am reasonably familiar with them.

Monash University: http://www.policy.monash.edu.au/policy-b...procedures.html

If a customer/student is accused of cheating, they receive a hearing and have a right of appeal.


Telephone Company Optus: http://www.optus.com.au/dafiles/OCA/...ing_policy.pdf

If a customer has a disagreement with Optus, they receive a hearing and have a right of appeal.


B&M Casinos have various indepdent regulators and monitors - if you think you have been cheated, you have a right to appeal to them and so on.

Clearly, phone companies, universities and casinos are not courts - but they are also subject to basic principles of natural justice.

This topic is covered (briefly) in Wikipedia at http://www.wikipedia.org/search-redi...e=en&go=Go

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2.) I feel that FTP security serves as an independent judge that acts in the best interest of their patrons.

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The idea that FTP is independent in this case (or other, similar, cases) is self-evidently laughable. You cannot be serious. After this post, I'm going to make a post of some possible ideas to solve the problem.

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3.) Other have spoken on the presntation of evidence and why it is important not to let others know how to avoid the security measures that were used.

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Their argument is that it will allow bot makes to make better bots.

Persons accused of murder are shown the evidence - even though other potential murderers could learn from the case, figure out how the defendant was caught, and try to avoid it.

More similarly to Bot-making, people accused of decrypting DVD codes were able to have a public case - the first link from google when searching for "decryption court case" is to http://www.freedomforum.org/template...cumentID=15774

The only exception to defendants being able to see the evidence against them in the US that I was able to find* was John Walker Lindh, who was accused of joining the Taliban. While online poker bot makers are "bad" people, they are not even remotely on the same scale as Taliban terrorists.

Even in Walker Lindh's case, much of the evidence was made public - and only some parts were kept secret. A similar situation would be a fair compromise here. This problem would also be significantly lessened if there was a genuinely independent "judge" who could determine what deserved to remain secret and what could be allowed to be public.

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4.) Beatme1 was given information on how to appeal the decision but smugly laughed it off.

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As he should have.

The Kahnawake Gaming Commission is a fraud. There is no evidence that the KGC has ever found in favour of a player.

Source:
Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahnawa...ing_Commission
Lorinda's post on the subject, endorsed by Mike Haven as "excellent work": http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/...te_id/1#import
Thread in relation to Absolute Poker, where mod Pokeraddict says "Kahnawake is a joke and has never resolved anything. All they do is collect tax money...Go read CM, WOL, CAP or any other casino portal. You will see they are nothing but a place that hosts online gambling sites. Search CM and you will see endles players that either never got a response or got a form letter and never heard back. "
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=5&fpart=1


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Anyway I just hope that the $ seized really will go back to those who were cheated.

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I agree with this sentiment.

*I didn't make a great deal of effort on this, so there may be other cases.