rulings and general confusion at GVR LOL

[tyler_cracker]

here are a couple of things that happened at my 4/8 table at GVR this evening. they all involve a very confused old dude at my table (his name is Maurice and he seemed to be sort of a regular).

very confused old dude is very bad at the mechanics of live play, like handling chips and posting blinds. when he puts chips in the pot, he puts them in two at a time. he is often slow to act. he usually announces his action before he does it. he says, "play", especially preflop, to mean call. a couple people observe that it sounds a lot like "raise" when he mumbles "play".

anyway, some vignettes:

1. VCOD doesn't like to put a chip on his cards when he's in the hand. one time, after VCOD limps, the guy a couple seats to his right mucks his cards and accidentally hits VCOD's cards. only one mucked card is touching VCOD's hand, and VCOD's hand is clearly discernible from the mucked hand.

dealer freezes the action and prevents VCOD or anyone else from touching the cards. mucker apologizes and tells the dealer that he knows what both of his cards were. dealer acknowledges this and calls for the floor.

VCOD begins to argue vaguely, because that's what he does every time something happens that involves him. dealer says the floor needs to handle the situation. i support the dealer, saying that waiting for the floor is best, and a couple other players grunt agreement. so far so good.

floor comes over, listens to the story, and without missing a beat tells VCOD that his hand is dead but that he can take his bet back. VCOD is annoyed. "i had a pair," he says.

"wow, that was a terrible decision," i say. floor walks away.


discussion: the floor's ruling is technically correct, but i don't think it's in the best interest of the game.

but let's say you want to be nitty about this to (quixotically) teach VCOD a lesson about protecting his hand. if so, why do you let him take his bet back?



2. this part is excerpted from a semi-strategy post:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=10420815

a couple hands ago, very confused old dude was in the SB. button raised preflop. VCOD brings $2 over the betting line to complete his SB. dealer tells him that the pot has been raised, so it's $8 to call. VCOD brings chips back to his stack and folds. dealer hesitates, then tells VCOD that once chips cross the line they have to stay in the pot, but that he'll let him slide this time.

VCOD gets confused and sort of vaguely argues with the dealer. dealer tries again to explain what it was that happened. VCOD again argues back vaguely.

of course, VCOD has been doing VC things all night, so the woman to VCOD's right -- who has been helping him stack chips and stuff all evening -- and i tell the dealer to save his breath. VCOD doesn't get it, and he never will. dealer is like, "*sigh*, fine".

that was a couple hands ago.

in this hand, after VILLAIN RAISES, VCOD is next to act and pushes 2 chips into the pot. dealer announces the raise, and VCOD takes his chips back and mucks his hand.

dealer yells for the floor. when the floor comes over, the dealer explains the whole story, except he refers to VCOD as "this individual". lol dehumanizing pronounaments.

anyway, floor sort of gives VCOD a warning, lets him keep his bet, and walks away.


discussion: this is the same floor as in story #1. the ruling seems pretty inconsistent with his previous ruling.

question: i had a very strong hand in this pot (J3 on an 833r board). should i lobby harder for VCOD to remain in this pot?



3. a hand develops and VCOD is facing a bet on the turn.

"how much money is in the pot?" he asks.

dealer plays with the pot a little bit, hesitates for a moment, and says, "well, about twenty or thirty dollars."

old guy says, "not enough out there," and mucks.

i ask the dealer, "um, are you allowed to answer that question?"

dealer replies, "he can't see that well so sometimes we help him a little with things like that."


discussion: how reasonable/unreasonable is this? would you comment futher? would you have said anything in the first place?



tl;dr: confused old dude causes procedural chaos. check out some floor rulings and some piping up from me and decide whether OP is super nitty, not nitty enough, or just a dick.