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Old 05-10-2007, 09:41 PM
David Sklansky David Sklansky is offline
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Default We Are All Sinners With Free Will?

Conservative Christians apparently contend that no one besides Jesus is sinless enough to "deserve" heaven. That's aside from the original sin by Adam stuff. They admit that some are a lot more sinful than others but it doesn't matter as far as "salvation" is concerned.

When this idea is discussed, atheists and others often say "Why would God create beings that were destined to not meet his standards?" To which Christians reply "Because he wanted to give them free will. (In other words the free will to meet them or not meet them.) Or as Not Ready has said, he didn't want to create robots.

But wait a minute. Maybe humans are not robots as far as which flavor of ice cream they prefer. But if it is true that no human (aside from Jesus)ever has or ever will behaved perfectly enough to satisfy God then it is because no one has the free will to do that. You can't have it both ways. If your religion wants to claim with certainty that no one deserves heaven, because of their own sinful behavior, then it must be because God has created man in such a way to make it impossible for someone to behave otherwise. So as far as this subject is concerned people WOULD be robots without free will.
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