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Old 01-13-2007, 09:50 AM
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Default Suspicious shorty raises from EP - is Rizen right?

I'm watching Rizen's video of his Stars million win on PXF (part 11), and he makes a statement I'm not really sure I agree with.

"A non-advanced player who raises half his stack as an extreme shorty will almost always have aces or kings, occasionally AK". This is paraphrased, but is the essence of what he's saying.

In this particular hand (for those interested, it's hand #455, around 4 mins in), the player had 170k with the blinds at 12.5k/25k, i.e. an M of about 3.5. Obvious desperation mode. 8 players to the table.

Now, I agree that most players won't make this move with pure garbage. Putting his range to KK-AA, AK just seems way too tight though. I don't think a player has to be that advanced to raise like this - in fact, from experience I think some really bad players will 3xraise here instead of pushing with way worse hands than that. Also, I think fancy raises to try to increase FE is more common than Rizen seems to think.

Now, in that particular situation I'm not really that much in disagreement with Rizen - although I'd probably include JJ and QQ as well here, probably AQ as well. The player will, disregarding any reads, in all likelihood wait for a better spot to raise with worse hands. I have no idea what type of player he is btw, since they video just started.

The next hand though (hand 482, around 27:30 into the video), I pretty much flat out disagree with Rizen. Here, the player has 125k, blinds are at 15k/30k, meaning an M of 2.3 (7-handed). He makes a 3xraise, leaving 34k behind. Rizen still contends he has to have a monster - KK-AA, AK.

I think a lot more players will make a raise like this when they're this short - either because they think it will increase their FE, or because they're not really think about why they raise 3x here. For the life of me, I can't assign a tighter range than if he pushed here - meaning at least 66+, AJs+,AQo+, KQs or so.

I've learned a lot earlier from watching Rizen's videos, but here I just can't fully agree with him - any viewpoints?
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