gawd, weakest over pair...

[Paul Thomson]

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raising from the button is standard here.

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maybe it is. but maybe the standard is wrong...limping cannot be losing that much value. 77 is a pretty weak hand...how low of a pocket pair would u raise, 55?

I like a raise alot more with 1 limper as opposed to two. With two limpers, you're getting great odds to call and hit a set. Also if you raise and the first limper calls than the 2nd limper is more likely to call.

In which case, you've got a big pot that you have to try and take down against 2 people when 7 out of 8 times, you're going to miss the flop. So you're going to make a big continuation bet on a flop which often will have at least a couple over cards.

Think how much easier it is to play the hand by limping. I doubt you give up much if any value and you make your post flop decisions 100 times more simple.

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opening any pp from any position for a raise is standard around these parts, all the winning players do it

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i know this...but what if there are 2 limpers?

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even with 2 limpers 77 is fine IMO, maybe with 22/33 id consider limping behind.

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ok, now you have to explain yourself. I explained why I don't like it.

I'm looking forward to your thoughts...and where's my boy dbitel to come to my rescue. If he shows up here and says raise, than I'm going to cry!