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Ball of [censored], It must suck hard to be color blind and not be able to tell apples from oranges. past actions<>ongoing actions [/ QUOTE ] Cambodians are still dying from unexploded ordnance on an ongoing basis. According to your philosphy, they should have a righteous terror campaign against the USA until our "house is in order." Also, there is no statute of limitations on MASS MURDER. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't know, maybe 5% of the Jewish contribution? [/ QUOTE ] Eh. For several centuries, Europe was a backwards shithole and the Muslim world was where most math/astronomy was developed, AFAIK. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, his statement is seriously messed up. The Arabs were focusing on math and science while Europeans were focusing on crusades, inquisitions, and church dogma. If I remember correctly they created the number representation for zero. They had a profound effect on math and science. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, let's play a little game. For every world-class Muslim/Arab mathematician you name, I'll list ten Jewish. GO. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't know, maybe 5% of the Jewish contribution? [/ QUOTE ] Eh. For several centuries, Europe was a backwards shithole and the Muslim world was where most math/astronomy was developed, AFAIK. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, his statement is seriously messed up. The Arabs were focusing on math and science while Europeans were focusing on crusades, inquisitions, and church dogma. If I remember correctly they created the number representation for zero. They had a profound effect on math and science. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, let's play a little game. For every world-class Muslim/Arab mathematician you name, I'll list ten Jewish. GO. [/ QUOTE ] Subfallen, What are you trying to accomplish? |
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yeah... this is really not necessary. i dont think we should get into this discussion - its really not relevant.
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It sounds like Prime Minister Olmert gets it. AP Story:
[ QUOTE ] In unusually frank comments, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert warned in an interview published Thursday that "the state of Israel is finished" if a Palestinian state is not created, saying the alternative is a South Africa-style apartheid struggle. [/ QUOTE ] Comparing the current situation to Apartheid is of course accurate: the white newcomers are segregating and oppressing the local population. But Olmert takes the comparison a step farther, pointing out that the Demographic Bomb is working against Israel and that giving the Palestinians concessions actually improves Israel's long term security. He says that one of these days, the Palestinians are going to stop pressing for a two-state solution and start pressing for a one-state solution: granting the Palestinians the right to vote in Israel. He's looking 50 to 100 years down the road and accurately predicting that without action, they are going to get it and on that day, Jewish rule of Israel will be finished. |
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It sounds like Prime Minister Olmert gets it. AP Story: [ QUOTE ] In unusually frank comments, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert warned in an interview published Thursday that "the state of Israel is finished" if a Palestinian state is not created, saying the alternative is a South Africa-style apartheid struggle. [/ QUOTE ] Comparing the current situation to Apartheid is of course accurate: the white newcomers are segregating and oppressing the local population. But Olmert takes the comparison a step farther, pointing out that the Demographic Bomb is working against Israel and that giving the Palestinians concessions actually improves Israel's long term security. He says that one of these days, the Palestinians are going to stop pressing for a two-state solution and start pressing for a one-state solution: granting the Palestinians the right to vote in Israel. He's looking 50 to 100 years down the road and accurately predicting that without action, they are going to get it and on that day, Jewish rule of Israel will be finished. [/ QUOTE ] *Warning: Insubstantive post* ahahaha Seriously, with the Jews one of the most educated and politically powerful global constituents that last line is way too much. Just look how much money is spent here in the United States by Jewish philanthropists on heritage tours for their kids and such. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't know, maybe 5% of the Jewish contribution? [/ QUOTE ] Eh. For several centuries, Europe was a backwards shithole and the Muslim world was where most math/astronomy was developed, AFAIK. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, his statement is seriously messed up. The Arabs were focusing on math and science while Europeans were focusing on crusades, inquisitions, and church dogma. If I remember correctly they created the number representation for zero. They had a profound effect on math and science. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, let's play a little game. For every world-class Muslim/Arab mathematician you name, I'll list ten Jewish. GO. [/ QUOTE ] Current? Historic? What constitutes a world class mathematician? And more importantly what the hell is the point? |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't know, maybe 5% of the Jewish contribution? [/ QUOTE ] Eh. For several centuries, Europe was a backwards shithole and the Muslim world was where most math/astronomy was developed, AFAIK. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, his statement is seriously messed up. The Arabs were focusing on math and science while Europeans were focusing on crusades, inquisitions, and church dogma. If I remember correctly they created the number representation for zero. They had a profound effect on math and science. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, let's play a little game. For every world-class Muslim/Arab mathematician you name, I'll list ten Jewish. GO. [/ QUOTE ] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_ibn_Yusuf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Tahir_al-Baghdadi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamma...t%C4%81n%C4%AB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_al-Fazari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Fazari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Hajj...Bsuf_ibn_Matar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Sahl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Banna http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabir_ibn_Aflah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_ibn_Sinan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khazini http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Kindi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_a...7taman_ibn_Hud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab%C5%A...s%C4%81d%C4%AB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Yah..._al-Samaw%27al http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinan_ibn_Thabit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C4%81bit_ibn_Qurra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu%27l-Hasan_al-Uqlidisi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab%C5%A...q%C4%81l%C4%AB http://www.math.tamu.edu/~dallen/history/arab/arab.html http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/mathhist/arab.html http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Dail...998042208.html So, please go ahead and name like 400 Jewish mathematician's. If you do that I could probably go ahead and get another 20-30 names so you would have to get another couple hundred random Jewish names. What is that point? Just so everyone knows....I am not saying Jewish people are bad at math or bad at anything. All I am trying to say is that Arabs have had a historic influence on math and science. Jewish people have also had a profound influence on math and intelligence in general as well. |
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It sounds like Prime Minister Olmert gets it [/ QUOTE ] The majority of Israelis disagree with you. The man is seen as a joke in Israel. [ QUOTE ] Comparing the current situation to Apartheid is of course accurate [/ QUOTE ] No, its not. Im not going into this again here - we have already discussed this in another thread. thread [ QUOTE ] the white newcomers are segregating and oppressing the local population [/ QUOTE ] Have you ever been to Israel? If you had, you would know how ridiculous this statement is, for many reasons. Well, the demographic issue is a new one recently invented by the left wing to persuade Israelis that it is in their best interests to give murderous Palestinians a terrorist state on large lengths of Israels borders. As few Israelis are stupid enough to believe that the security situation would improve in Israel if this happened, they need a ticking bomb theory. I dont have time now to find links, but this theory has been rejected by many people, including those who agree to an eventual 2 state solution. In any case, the first responsibility of any Israeli government should be to protect their people or at least not expose them to unneccesary danger. Giving the Palestinians/Hamas a state now would place the majority of the population in immediate danger and would send a very positive message to those Palestinians and arabs that wish to see Israel totally destroyed. |
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CC - Had a little trouble finding someone relevant in the last, say, 500 years, eh?
My point is in response to the person who said "why not get rid of the Jews" as if there's no objective reason to favor Jewry over the Islamic world. Rather, we should all pray to Allah that Islam disappears from the face of the earth as quickly as possible. Oh, and that list I promised you. You'll find no fewer than 12 Field's Medal recipients and such recognizable names such as Cantor, Jacobi, Kronecker, Levi-Civita, Mandelbrot, Minkowski, von Neumann, Perelman, Witten, etc. Shmuel Agmon Naum Akhiezer A. Adrian Albert Shimshon Amitsur Vladimir Arnold Siegfried Aronhold Nachman Aronszajn Cesare Arzelŕ Giulio Ascoli Robert Aumann Louis Auslander Maurice Auslander James Ax Reinhold Baer Grigory Barenblatt Hyman Bass Richard Bellman Paul Bernays Stefan Bergman Felix Bernstein Joseph (Iosif) Bernstein Sergei Bernstein Lipman Bers Abram Besicovitch Joan Birman Max Black Spencer Bloch Salomon Bochner Harald Bohr Vladimir Boltyanskii Carl Borchardt Raoul Bott Richard Brauer Haďm Brezis Felix Browder William Browder Eugenio Calabi Georg Cantor Moritz Cantor Guido Castelnuovo Gregory Chaitin Herman Chernoff Paul Cohen Ronald Coifman Julian Cole Richard Courant George Dantzig Martin Davis Max Dehn Percy Deift Persi Diaconis Roland Dobrushin Wolfgang Doeblin Joseph Doob Jesse Douglas Vladimir Drinfeld Louis Dublin Aryeh Dvoretsky Eugene (Evgenii) Dynkin Leon Ehrenpreis Samuel Eilenberg Albert Einstein Gotthold Eisenstein Noam Elkies Federigo Enriques Arthur Erdélyi Paul Erdös Gino Fano Herbert Federer Solomon Feferman Charles Fefferman Walter Feit Lipót Fejér Michael Fekete William Feller Adolf Abraham Fraenkel Philipp Frank Michael Freedman Hans Freudenthal Avner Friedman Harvey Friedman Guido Fubini Lazarus Fuchs Hillel Furstenberg David Gale Boris Galerkin Izrail Gelfand Alexandr Gelfond Semyon Gershgorin Gersonides Iosif Gikhman Israel Gohberg Dorian Goldfeld Paul Gordan Daniel Gorenstein Leslie Greengard Mikhael Gromov Marcel Grossmann Alexander Grothendieck Branko Grünbaum Alfréd Haar Jacques Hadamard Hans Hahn Paul Halmos Georges-Henri Halphen Felix Hausdorff Hans Heilbronn Ernst Hellinger Eduard Helly Israel Herstein Peter Hilton Gerhard Hochschild Melvin Hochster Heinz Hopf Ehud Hrushovski Witold Hurewicz Adolph Hurwitz Carl G. J. Jacobi Nathan Jacobson Arthur Jaffe Fritz John Mark Kac Victor Kac Richard Kadison Jean-Pierre Kahane Gil Kalai László Kalmár Leonid Kantorovich Irving Kaplansky Samuel Karlin Richard Karp Nicholas Katz Yitzhak Katznelson David Kazhdan Herbert Keller Joseph Keller John Kemeny Alexander Khinchine Joseph Kohn Dénes König Julius König Leo Königsberger Bertram Kostant Mark Krasnoselskii Mark Krein Georg Kreisel Leopold Kronecker Martin Kruskal Kazimierz Kuratowski Imre Lakatos Cornelius Lanczos Edmund Landau Emanuel Lasker Peter Lax Solomon Lefschetz Beppo Levi Eugenio Elia Levi Friedrich Levi Tullio Levi-Civita Leonid Levin Norman Levinson Boris Levitan Ya'acov Levitzki Paul Lévy Hans Lewy Elliott Lieb Adolf Lindenbaum Joram Lindenstrauss Rudolph Lipschitz Michel Ločve Alfred Loewy Gino Loria Alfred Lotka Grigorii Lozanovsky Alex Lubotzky Lazar Lusternik George Lusztig Kurt Mahler Benoit Mandelbrot Yuri Manin Amédée Mannheim Gregori Margulis Vladimir Maz'ya Barry Mazur David Milman Vitali Milman Hermann Minkowski Richard von Mises Boris Moishezon Louis Mordell George Mostow Jose Moyal Mark Naimark I. P. Natanson John von Neumann Paul Nevai Max Newman Louis Nirenberg Emmy Noether Max Noether Donald Ornstein Alexander Ostrowski Emanuel Parzen Moritz Pasch Grigori Perelman Rózsa Péter Ralph Phillips Ilya Piatetski-Shapiro Salvatore Pincherle Felix Pollaczek George Pólya Emil Post Moritz Presburger Alfred Pringsheim Hilary Putnam Michael Rabin Richard Rado Dmitriy Raikov Marina Ratner Robert Remak Alfréd Rényi Kenneth Ribet Frederic Riesz Marcel Riesz Herbert Robbins Abraham Robinson Vladimir Rokhlin Jakob Rosanes Johann Rosenhain Klaus Roth Walter Rudin Stanislaw Saks Raphaël Salem Peter Sarnak Leonard Savage Robert Schatten Juliusz Schauder M. M. Schiffer Arthur Schönflies Oded Schramm Issai Schur Jacob T. Schwartz Laurent Schwartz Albert Schwarz I. E. Segal Beniamino Segrč Corrado Segrč Saharon Shelah Lev Shnirelman Barry Simon James Simons Yakov Sinai I. M. Singer Robert Solovay Frank Spitzer Richard Stanley Elias Stein Robert Steinberg Hugo Steinhaus Ernst Steinitz Shlomo Sternberg Steven Strogatz Daniel Stroock James Joseph Sylvester Otto Szász Gábor Szegö Edward Szpilrajn-Marczewski Jacob Tamarkin Alfred Tarski Alfred Tauber Olga Taussky-Todd Otto Toeplitz Henryk Torunczyk Paul Turán Stanislaw Ulam Paul Urysohn Anatoliy Vershik Naum Vilenkin Vito Volterra Abraham Wald André Weil Julius Weingarten Alexander Weinstein Harold Widom Norbert Wiener Eugene Wigner Aurel Wintner Edward Witten Jacob Wolfowitz Paul Wolfskehl Akiva Yaglom Lotfi Zadeh Oscar Zariski Doron Zeilberger Efim Zelmanov Leo Zippin |
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