Extracting Value-Top set vs PF raiser

OSUGreg1983 · #1 11-12-2007, 02:53 AM

Villain solid TAG 20/15/1.3 > 110 hands. Should I c/r the flop or c/c here and wait until later streets in case he has AK? If I c/r here that screams set on such a patheticly dry board. What are your thoughts?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $16.35
CO: $37.15
BTN: $5.35
Hero (SB): $25.10
BB: $18.95
UTG: $37.50

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG raises to $1, MP folds, CO calls $1, BTN calls $1, Hero calls $0.90, BB folds

Flop: ($4.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.25, 2 folds, Hero ...

Lego05 · #2 11-12-2007, 03:03 AM

I think I prefer check/call unless you have been attacking this villian lately and/or if you've check/raised bluffed him on similar dry boards in the past or at least think that with the image of you he sees he'd think it's pretty possible.

OSUGreg1983 · #3 11-12-2007, 03:08 AM

Now what?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $16.35
CO: $37.15
BTN: $5.35
Hero (SB): $25.10
BB: $18.95
UTG: $37.50

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG raises to $1, MP folds, CO calls $1, BTN calls $1, Hero calls $0.90, BB folds

Flop: ($4.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.25

Turn: ($10.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($10.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ...

vixticator · #4 11-12-2007, 03:08 AM

In general just call and probably check turn also. The pot will be $10+ after call so you don't have to build one really, if he has anything or spikes/bluffs you will stack him off.

edit: Now bet obv and he's going to fold like 80% of the time because he has nothing.

Lego05 · #5 11-12-2007, 03:22 AM

As played I check the turn again. He's either got nothing, TT+ or some Q....well maybe like 88/77 also or possibly 55/33.

If you check the turn he'll bet a Q...gives him a chance to bet nothing, and maybe he bets one of those pairs.

If he bets the turn I call....then I lead river with a valuebet.

If he checks behind on turn I may do the above or I may go for a check/raise since he will fold his nothings to a bet, if he has a Q or a lower set we're getting it in anyway and after hero chesks all 3 streets he's gonna valuebet KK/AA and maybe JJ/TT. The only downside I see to this is if he has the TT and decided to check behind river instead of getting some more value. But I think against this player this is optimal.

Eeerily similar situation (Note: I only led flop because I was doing something on another table and looked back at the hand when the flop came out and assumed I was the pre-flop raiser when in actuality I was not.):

Villian is 22/18/4.57 postlfop agg. over 790 hands since Nov 1st

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($130.95)
Button ($308.10)
Hero ($261.85)
BB ($101.45)
UTG ($98.50)
MP ($303.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $4, CO calls $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($13) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $9.5, MP raises to $30, CO folds, Hero calls $20.50.

Turn: ($73) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($73) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $50, Hero raises to $125, MP calls $75.

Final Pot: $323