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Re: 200NL - 2 Really Sick River Decisions
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[ QUOTE ] He will call because our line looks bluffy but he will never shove because our line looks bluffy? [/ QUOTE ] 12/6/1.5 12/6 does not bet/3-bet bluff the river laying 3:1 ever. obv if he has a decent hand he would just call if he suspected a bluff, rather than shoving and losing more vs better hands and the same amount vs bluffs [/ QUOTE ] I don't generally take part in most discussion threads, as I don't feel qualified to do it. But I have to agree with what Doc said there. My stats are pretty close to villains in Hand 1 (yes, I know I suck, I am working on it) and I would never 3 bet the river in that spot unless I was really strong. Would just call if I thought I was picking off a bluff. |
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Re: 200NL - 2 Really Sick River Decisions
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] That is true, the raise does look stronger, but it would still look much stronger if you bet the turn. Depending on your image I think that he can consider this an attempt to take the pot down on what could be a bad card. [/ QUOTE ] alright now we're getting somehwere [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] . i agree he may see this as a bluff, but the type of player in this hand, while he may decide to call w/ a worse hand very often, is not the type of player to make a sick 3-bet river bluff here with air especially not laying those odds. [/ QUOTE ] what if he doesn't have a pair? Then he can shove right? Say he missed his straight draw and bluffs the river and sees your raise as weak. I don't think you can just say a 12/6/1 never bluffs like this because I've seen it done by treysfull and he runs pretty nitty. [/ QUOTE ] please show me an HH of treysfull bet/3-betting the river with air |
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Re: 200NL - 2 Really Sick River Decisions
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You're dead wrong here if you think he EVER takes this line as a bluff. [/ QUOTE ] I agree he'll almost never show up with a bluff here. How often is he value-betting worse? Specifically, imagine he has JJ/QQ -- what % of the time does he shove? |
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Re: 200NL - 2 Really Sick River Decisions
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[ QUOTE ] You're dead wrong here if you think he EVER takes this line as a bluff. [/ QUOTE ] I agree he'll almost never show up with a bluff here. How often is he value-betting worse? Specifically, imagine he has JJ/QQ -- what % of the time does he shove? [/ QUOTE ] Assuming he is a typical 12/6/1.5, close to never in my opinion |
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Re: 200NL - 2 Really Sick River Decisions
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] That is true, the raise does look stronger, but it would still look much stronger if you bet the turn. Depending on your image I think that he can consider this an attempt to take the pot down on what could be a bad card. [/ QUOTE ] alright now we're getting somehwere [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] . i agree he may see this as a bluff, but the type of player in this hand, while he may decide to call w/ a worse hand very often, is not the type of player to make a sick 3-bet river bluff here with air especially not laying those odds. [/ QUOTE ] what if he doesn't have a pair? Then he can shove right? Say he missed his straight draw and bluffs the river and sees your raise as weak. I don't think you can just say a 12/6/1 never bluffs like this because I've seen it done by treysfull and he runs pretty nitty. [/ QUOTE ] please show me an HH of treysfull bet/3-betting the river with air [/ QUOTE ] how can I search for this in PT? |
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Re: 200NL - 2 Really Sick River Decisions
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You're dead wrong here if you think he EVER takes this line as a bluff. [/ QUOTE ] I agree he'll almost never show up with a bluff here. How often is he value-betting worse? Specifically, imagine he has JJ/QQ -- what % of the time does he shove? [/ QUOTE ] Assuming he is a typical 12/6/1.5, close to never in my opinion [/ QUOTE ] If "close to never" < 1 time in 12, then good fold. |
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Re: 200NL - 2 Really Sick River Decisions
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] That is true, the raise does look stronger, but it would still look much stronger if you bet the turn. Depending on your image I think that he can consider this an attempt to take the pot down on what could be a bad card. [/ QUOTE ] alright now we're getting somehwere [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] . i agree he may see this as a bluff, but the type of player in this hand, while he may decide to call w/ a worse hand very often, is not the type of player to make a sick 3-bet river bluff here with air especially not laying those odds. [/ QUOTE ] what if he doesn't have a pair? Then he can shove right? Say he missed his straight draw and bluffs the river and sees your raise as weak. I don't think you can just say a 12/6/1 never bluffs like this because I've seen it done by treysfull and he runs pretty nitty. [/ QUOTE ] please show me an HH of treysfull bet/3-betting the river with air [/ QUOTE ] how can I search for this in PT? [/ QUOTE ] bring up his stats and filter for went to showdown and lost (since he obv would have lost if he got called) and look for big pots. i think you can also filter for hands where he bet the river |
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Re: 200NL - 2 Really Sick River Decisions
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] That is true, the raise does look stronger, but it would still look much stronger if you bet the turn. Depending on your image I think that he can consider this an attempt to take the pot down on what could be a bad card. [/ QUOTE ] alright now we're getting somehwere [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] . i agree he may see this as a bluff, but the type of player in this hand, while he may decide to call w/ a worse hand very often, is not the type of player to make a sick 3-bet river bluff here with air especially not laying those odds. [/ QUOTE ] what if he doesn't have a pair? Then he can shove right? Say he missed his straight draw and bluffs the river and sees your raise as weak. I don't think you can just say a 12/6/1 never bluffs like this because I've seen it done by treysfull and he runs pretty nitty. [/ QUOTE ] please show me an HH of treysfull bet/3-betting the river with air [/ QUOTE ] Trey's is 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% never 3 bet bluffing river! |
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