46s hits trips on flop; 3 bets flop, but gets raised

bober2 · #1 10-22-2007, 07:05 AM

How should this be bet? Villain has stats of about
20/3/1.67 for 100 hands (unfortunately that includes this hand and some hands played after this hand, so it's not actually completely accurate at the time of the hand)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 ($4.25)
CO ($9.91)
Button ($2.24)
SB ($9.95)
BB ($0.89)
UTG ($4.83)
Hero ($22.63)
MP1 ($8.73)
MP2 ($16.63)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, 3 folds, CO raises to $0.2, 3 folds, UTG folds, Hero calls $0.15.

Flop: ($0.52) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $0.5, CO raises to $1, Hero raises to $3, CO raises to $8.95, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $6.52

ElectricWaffles · #2 10-22-2007, 07:15 AM

Fold preflop?
Call all in on the flop?

R U serious? I'm moving to pokerstars!

Edit: That's not helpful, sorry. Real response below.

Fold preflop. 46s is lame.

Flop. He's raising the top 3% of his hands. He's not got a 4 here. The worst thing that he could have right now is two spades and you're way ahead of them, but i'm guessing he's got a big pair JJ+ anyway.

I like the 3bet size thats good. The fold afterwards though... nooOOOooooOOOOooooo

BotOnTilt · #3 10-22-2007, 07:26 AM

I'd fold PF (not too fond of limping with gapped suited connectors from EP)

Flop I'd call. Villain has no reason to think his overpair isn't good.

Perhaps you are a troll. But at least you put PT stats in this time, so I give you the benefit of the doubt.

Alpha 5.20 · #4 10-22-2007, 08:20 AM

You must be joking here, what kind of fold is that? Instant call and cash in the chips.

JH1 · #5 10-22-2007, 08:22 AM

Definitely fold preflop.

I call this flop all day long, you've got villain drawing to 2 outs almost always and there's no way he puts you on a 4 when you're UTG+1. He thinks this is obviously overpair vs overpair.

His PFR of 3% indicates that he basically raises pocket pairs 99+ and AK, and you could probably even narrow it down a bit more with him being UTG.

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39,600 games 0.005 secs 7,920,000 games/sec

Board: 2s 4h 4s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 10.111% 10.11% 00.00% 4004 0.00 { 99+, AKs }
Hand 1: 89.889% 89.89% 00.00% 35596 0.00 { 6c4c }

Edit: sorry thought it was UTG that was still in the hand, misread. Even so, I think villain's range and the rest of my post still applies. This is still an overpair. Even if you add 22 to his range, you are still at 85% equity.

countzerO · #6 10-22-2007, 08:45 AM

A 20/3 is not raising w/ 22 imho, even from CO this kind of player usually limp along with small PPs.

Safest spot ever to call a shove.

RapidEvolution · #7 10-22-2007, 09:20 AM

Please fold this junk preflop. It will save you money. DEFINITELY don't call preflop raises with it OOP. (in this particular case, you could make an argument for it given how deep the stacks are, but I'd much rather be in position).

Against a guy with those stats, this flop is perfect. He's almost guaranteed to have an overpair and he seems willing to stack off. Did you really limp AND call a preflop raise with 4-6s to fold when you hit trips?? What are you afraid of here? 22? A better 4? Neither of these are being raised preflop, IMO and you should be dancing when he shoves. (and then calling, obv)

swainy · #8 10-22-2007, 10:03 AM

we play 46s to make a hand like this and break an overpair... i call this all day long, its an absolutely perfect situation to be in against this type of player.

as for preflop, limping suited one-gappers then calling a raise OOP is a leak, altho his raise was small. If u really want to play this hand OOP it helps to be the aggressor and take the betting lead by raising PF. UTG+1 u should probably just fold, unless you fell your postflop is strong enough OOP to play these sorts of hole cards.

CalledDownLight · #9 10-22-2007, 05:22 PM

You reverse yeti him and then fold when he take the bait. Thats a serious misapplication of the theorem.