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Old 10-19-2007, 03:17 PM
Blarg Blarg is offline
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Reread the title. The article is about building MASS.

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You're right. I overemphasized what seemed to me important.
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Old 10-19-2007, 03:27 PM
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Strength training fails to recruit slow twitch fibers as effectively. Therefore not optimal for hypertrophy.

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Slow twitch fibers have a very very low threshold for growth. And then theres always the chicken or the egg question with fiber make-up.
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Old 10-19-2007, 03:51 PM
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Strength training fails to recruit slow twitch fibers as effectively. Therefore not optimal for hypertrophy.

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Slow twitch fibers have a very very low threshold for growth. And then theres always the chicken or the egg question with fiber make-up.

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Here's a good article explaining muscle fibers and why someone only concerned with hypertrophy needs to hit them all.

http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/musclefiberspart2.php
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Old 10-19-2007, 05:37 PM
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Can we all just agree that training PURELY for maximum hypertrophy is uber lame? Pretty much everyone out there would be happy being moderately bigger, stronger, faster, and healthier than just TOTALLY F'IN HUGE.

PS. Maybe not Thremp, but he's like going to die of heart disease at age 40.
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Old 10-19-2007, 05:59 PM
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Here is a link where people can find contact information to todays top professional and amateur bodybuilders.

Bodybuilders

Someone better contact them quick to let them know that the way they have been training to achieve their impressive physiques does not work!!!. Someone needs to let them know right away that there are much better ways to train!!!

I apologize as well. I was under the mistaken impression that since the methods in the article have worked for me for 15 years and are the foundation on which almost every serious bodybuilder, amateur, pro, or recreational, has relied on for more than 40 years, and still relies on today, that this method of training actually worked. I'm just glad I had the opportunity for some in this forum to set me straight.

Thanks guys

Jak
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Old 10-19-2007, 06:06 PM
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Release of anabolic hormones, to my understanding, is largely because of the type of systemic stimulus that you can't get on isolation exercises. Therefore, you get more hormonal response from strength training in full-body exercises like deadlifts than from doing any amount of isolation exercises.

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I missed this reply.

Thats an extremely limited analysis of how exercise effects hormones, but is correct. Either way it has nothing to do with this argument. You can do 6-12 reps of any compound movement, and of course squats and deadlifts should be included in a pure hypertrophy program. I don't even think the article mentioned isolation exercises.
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Old 10-19-2007, 06:09 PM
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Can we all just agree that training PURELY for maximum hypertrophy is uber lame? Pretty much everyone out there would be happy being moderately bigger, stronger, faster, and healthier than just TOTALLY F'IN HUGE.

PS. Maybe not Thremp, but he's like going to die of heart disease at age 40.

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Well then instead of saying the article sucks, just say bodybuilding sucks. The article is for bodybuilders, and those who want to be bodybuilders.

I agree that train for pure hypertrophy is lame, but thats just you and me. There are lots of bodybuilders that could care less about strength or health.
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Old 10-19-2007, 06:10 PM
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Here is a link where people can find contact information to todays top professional and amateur bodybuilders.

Bodybuilders

Someone better contact them quick to let them know that the way they have been training to achieve their impressive physiques does not work!!!. Someone needs to let them know right away that there are much better ways to train!!!

I apologize as well. I was under the mistaken impression that since the methods in the article have worked for me for 15 years and are the foundation on which almost every serious bodybuilder, amateur, pro, or recreational, has relied on for more than 40 years, and still relies on today, that this method of training actually worked. I'm just glad I had the opportunity for some in this forum to set me straight.

Thanks guys

Jak

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You aren't helping your case.
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Old 10-19-2007, 06:18 PM
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You aren't helping your case.

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Thats fine. My case is already made.
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Old 10-24-2007, 04:08 PM
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Lots of threads on this topic lately, thought I'd stick it in here :

Good new article by Waterbury on his philosophy :

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle....dra?id=1773659

This is basically the anti-failure training bible, advocating the 8x3 pattern. It's nothing he hasn't said before but very nicely summed up and explained.

The bullet points :

• Train with loads between 60-100% of 1RM.

• Each set should last less than 15 seconds.

• Perform the concentric (lifting) phase as fast as possible.

• Terminate each set once you notice the speed is slowing down.

• Use compound movements and focus on 25 total reps for size and strength.

• Use compound movements and focus on 15 total reps for maximal strength.
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