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Old 10-13-2007, 01:55 PM
Absolution Absolution is offline
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Default He likes to raise the turn

I have 40 hands on this guy (55.0/2.5/2), but his turn aggression is 10. He has raised 7/9 times when he gets to the turn:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB folds.

Flop: (5 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero...

I folded, but then I thought I could either reraise here to fold out A and K high, or I could call down with what showdown value I have.
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Old 10-13-2007, 02:26 PM
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Default Re: He likes to raise the turn

If you know he's going to raise the turn, then betting the turn seems a little retarded.

You have 6 outs, so I would just check call the turn, and check fold the river.

It's hard to imagine you are drawing dead here, so instead of putting 1 bet in, and not see the river, I'd put 1 bet in, and see the river.
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Old 10-13-2007, 02:57 PM
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Default Re: He likes to raise the turn

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You have 6 outs, so I would just check call the turn, and check call safe rivers .


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Old 10-13-2007, 03:44 PM
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Default Re: He likes to raise the turn

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I have 40 hands on this guy (55.0/2.5/2), but his turn aggression is 10. He has raised 7/9 times when he gets to the turn:

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40 hands, theres a good chance he's running good. i see this happen with top pair alot, and on this board he may do it with 66-88.

that being said i c/c the turn, and c/f ui, and b/c if we spike a pair.
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Old 10-13-2007, 03:52 PM
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Default Re: He likes to raise the turn

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that being said i c/c the turn, and c/f ui

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You guys need to stop folding

Any A, 3, 4, 8, 9, J, K river is a good card. If you c/c the turn you HAVE to call those rivers.
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:00 PM
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ok oink, maybe i fold Q high too much. MAYBE. cuz i've only called down with it once and that was against against an 82/80 crazyspewlag who capped every street no matter what.(have yet to see him again despite searching daily). i dunno.
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:02 PM
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ok oink, maybe i fold Q high too much. MAYBE. cuz i've only called down with it once and that was against against an 82/80 crazyspewlag who capped every street no matter what.(have yet to see him again despite searching daily). i dunno.

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Play your own hand less and your own hand vs villains range more.

My wtsd is getting higher than most posters here, but I regularly fold TP or trips or 2 pair HU.
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: He likes to raise the turn

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Any A, 3, 4, 8, 9, J, K river is a good card. If you c/c the turn you HAVE to call those rivers.

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pointless question that doesnt hold much value

but still an interesting thought...

if we c/c the turn beleiving Qhi is best

isnt an A or K a slightly better river card than a J?
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:31 PM
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Default Re: He likes to raise the turn

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Any A, 3, 4, 8, 9, J, K river is a good card. If you c/c the turn you HAVE to call those rivers.

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pointless question that doesnt hold much value

but still an interesting thought...

if we c/c the turn beleiving Qhi is best

isnt an A or K a slightly better river card than a J?

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Definetely!

If villain has a made hand he'd be more prone to valuebet a J river than an A river. So if he bets an A river his range is more biased towards real good hands and bluffs.

Also, when a A or K river hits, hero was behind in the first place to a lot of the hands the river helped. When a J hits, hero is now behind to some (badly played) Jx hands.
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Old 10-13-2007, 05:52 PM
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Default Re: He likes to raise the turn

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ok oink, maybe i fold Q high too much. MAYBE. cuz i've only called down with it once and that was against against an 82/80 crazyspewlag who capped every street no matter what.(have yet to see him again despite searching daily). i dunno.

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Play your own hand less and your own hand vs villains range more.

My wtsd is getting higher than most posters here, but I regularly fold TP or trips or 2 pair HU.

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Can you give a hand, where you fold trips HU ?
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