4th street flush draw 2 overs semi bluff?

hamnegger · #1 10-04-2007, 08:51 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB (t7580)
BB (t9815)
UTG (t3759)
UTG+1 (t13295)
MP1 (t18943)
MP2 (t1962)
MP3 (t6108)
Hero (t12179)
Button (t10733)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t300, 4 folds, Hero calls t300, Button calls t300, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t1550) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t1550) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets t900, UTG folds, Hero ?

raise? how much?
call?
fold?

hagbard celine · #2 10-04-2007, 09:08 PM

I don't like the overlimp ... is the UTG limp why you don't raise? If so, why not just fold PF?

As played, I don't know if you have any FE, especially if BB has a 3. If I raise I raise to 2400-3000. But I probably fold, and kick myself for having limped.

For those raising this spot, what do you do to a BB 3bet?

hamnegger · #3 10-04-2007, 10:39 PM

1. i don't raise bc my position is my power and my hand is marginal and there would be 3 players to act.

2. my position will alllow me to bluff win pots here + hit a flop enough to be +ev.

3. i flat called the turn bet because a. he may be bluffing and im ahead. b. i may have as many as 15 outs c. if he does have a 3 and i flush hes paying off if he fills oh well it is gambling

jjyykk · #4 10-04-2007, 10:51 PM

This looks like a very strong hand. I don't know what your reads are, but if he's the sort of player who wouldn't lead with a strong 7 in this situation (a lot of players wouldn't), you'll have little to no fold equity with a raise.

IMO calling 900 to win 2450 is pretty decent for a flush draw with two overs, and if he was leading a 7 you'll probably get a free showdown.

kenny7 · #5 10-04-2007, 11:00 PM

I'm a little unsure why BB has to have a 3. Sure,he might,but isn't it just as likely that he's taking a stab at a pot no-one else wants?

I'd call and as you said,you might easily have 15 outs here. Also,you have the advantage of seing what he does on the river.

jjyykk · #6 10-04-2007, 11:01 PM

I think the more important thing is if he doesn't have a 3, a call on the turn would let you see that for certain on the river.

kenny7 · #7 10-04-2007, 11:35 PM

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I think the more important thing is if he doesn't have a 3, a call on the turn would let you see that for certain on the river.

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Pretty much what I ment to say.

erc007 · #8 10-05-2007, 12:18 AM

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I'm a little unsure why BB has to have a 3. Sure,he might,but isn't it just as likely that he's taking a stab at a pot no-one else wants?

I'd call and as you said,you might easily have 15 outs here. Also,you have the advantage of seing what he does on the river.

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I think this could be a 3, although an agrro BB could also be leading with a 7. If the turn was > 7 then the likelihood of a 3 is much greater IMO. Since it was a 5, it's tougher to narrow hiw range. If BB is not aggro, this bet is pretty strong, given that he's leading into 3 people, one of whom could also have a 3 (board texture makes checking a 3 on flop very possible.)

I don't like raising here, and i'm not sure if u have the implied odds to call if u discount your overcard outs.

hERESY · #9 10-05-2007, 12:56 AM

your king and 9 outs are

A) going to shut villain down
B) not outs at all

Coz · #10 10-05-2007, 01:19 AM

I would call this, I don't think raising is a good idea sine a 3 is probably coming over the top, and any intelligent player probably would have bet a pair of sevens on the flop against 3 opponents. He could have something like 55,66,88, and I think you are getting the right implied odds for a call.