$6.5 bubble shove 400/800

malnek · #1 10-03-2007, 02:39 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB (t2682)
BB (t5469)
Hero (t2645)
Button (t2704)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]], 6[[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]].
[color=Red]Hero raises to t2595</font>

button and sb are unknown knuckleheads....theyll probably call too tight.
bb is a pretty bad reg who shoves too much in very marginal spots

take this marginal ev spot now?

or

gain ev by folding and letting knuckleheads fight bearing in mind even if i do fold and get hit with bb in the next hand ill still have FE against the two other mediumish stacks

i havent done anything out of line and have generally been playing pretty tight

Niggel · #2 10-03-2007, 05:29 PM

I would most likely push...

ceavou22 · #3 10-03-2007, 06:14 PM

Isnt this a very -$EV shove? If we were shorter and stacks weren't so even with the other two it might be just marginal but I think this is definetley a fold.

Plus as you say there is equity gained from giving the donks time to let themselves bust.

Scotty_12 · #4 10-03-2007, 07:09 PM

In a vacuum, its an -ev shove, but once the blinds chunk out half of our stack we are in a craptacular spot. I am shoving very wide here but probably not J6o wide, especially because there are 3 others just as short as us

malnek · #5 10-03-2007, 07:20 PM

hmm thanks for replies......A2+ K5+ Q9+ JT+ 22+ does that look about right here?

Jauron · #6 10-03-2007, 07:30 PM

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In a vacuum, its an -ev shove, but once the blinds chunk out half of our stack we are in a craptacular spot. I am shoving very wide here but probably not J6o wide, especially because there are 3 others just as short as us

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I agree with that, I don't see many hands laying down here so we'd have to hope they all have trash.

HajiShirazu · #7 10-04-2007, 12:56 AM

I like hands like these.
Anyway with "simulate future hands" on in sngwiz, this is a 100% shove against basically any reasonable set of ranges unless but/sb call with A2 or something.

RexWoo · #8 10-04-2007, 04:01 AM

I don't like to have the big stack in the BB here.

J6o I don't push.

Tooorero86 · #9 10-04-2007, 10:48 AM

dont push this as BB calls wider

Q.. · #10 10-04-2007, 10:57 AM

I push , if bb calls and loses hell join 2500 stack party, i dont think he likes that if he is agressive shover,so he wont call with junk. Then ill push my fellow tight friends on sb-bb. Sounds like mega +ev.