Top boat on flop turns into a fold?

PoppinFresh · #1 10-02-2007, 02:48 PM

Villain is alotofaction. It had been a long time since I had played with him, and my read is that he used to have a wild streak in him and I would've pretty much instacalled vs. the old him, but since I have been playing with him again he seems to be playing really solid.

I think I might have made a mistake on the river raise as well, as he probably has a hand that he either is calling most raises with or folding to most raises with, but I was thinking it was possible I might get a call from the 3rd player in the hand with an AK type hand if I didn't get too greedy. As far as the shove, from the timing it is pretty clear to me that AoA planned the shove before I ever raised his bet.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($2341)
SB ($1147)
Hero ($1403.50)
UTG ($1583)
MP ($1505)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $30, 2 folds, SB calls $25, Hero calls $20.

Flop: ($90) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $75, SB calls $75, Hero calls $75.

Turn: ($315) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: ($315) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $90, Hero raises to $300, UTG folds, SB raises to $1042, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $915

willw9 · #2 10-02-2007, 02:49 PM

Nice!

NOT.

jj12 · #3 10-02-2007, 02:55 PM

if u had more money I would shove for value

jfish · #4 10-02-2007, 02:58 PM

c/r flop

ipokeder · #5 10-02-2007, 02:58 PM

call

PoppinFresh · #6 10-02-2007, 03:09 PM

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meh, I don't usually like to get this tricky with my big hands but after there's a bet and a call in front I really don't feel like I can take a more aggressive line than I did without telegraphing that my hand is huge

FireStorm · #7 10-02-2007, 03:09 PM

Don't take this the wrong way but this might actually be the worst betting line ever, I don't even know where to begin the criticism. Sending anthrax to toddlers should be considered less a punishable offense then this.

Imrahil · #8 10-02-2007, 03:14 PM

What is his range people?

jfish · #9 10-02-2007, 03:16 PM

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c/r flop

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meh, I don't usually like to get this tricky with my big hands but after there's a bet and a call in front I really don't feel like I can take a more aggressive line than I did without telegraphing that my hand is huge

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are you saying if you had 76s this would be the easiest c/r bluff ever?

PoppinFresh · #10 10-02-2007, 03:23 PM

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c/r flop

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meh, I don't usually like to get this tricky with my big hands but after there's a bet and a call in front I really don't feel like I can take a more aggressive line than I did without telegraphing that my hand is huge

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are you saying if you had 76s this would be the easiest c/r bluff ever?

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I think it would be a fine spot for a bluff

These are obviously not the same though, since when someone has a 3 in their hand I'm getting paid whether I c/r or not and by just calling I also let someone improve to a second best hand or pay off a river bet with a hand they would fold to a flop c/r.