Hand from Borgata WPT

[Astyanax]

The key to this hand is the Armenian guy. you say he played his with his chips because he was contemplating a bluff but this could be nonsense. It is possible he noticed your attempted check raise (although unlikely). Nevertheless your action is still strong, checking and then betting oop -The Armenian, I think, mucks either AK or AQ (therefore narrowing villain's range somewhat) making a call, not a raise mandatory. As jeff said, you can't raise as he never calls a 3-bet shove with worse.

I am officially talking rubbish.

Nice blog justin, post more.

[Confused1]

Edit: I can't read

[hotmark777]

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The key to this hand is the Armenian guy. you say he played his with his chips because he was contemplating a bluff but this could be nonsense. It is possible he noticed your attempted check raise (although unlikely). Nevertheless your action is still strong, checking and then betting oop -The Armenian, I think, mucks either AK or AQ (therefore narrowing villain's range somewhat) making a call, not a raise mandatory. As jeff said, you can't raise as he never calls a 3-bet shove with worse.

I am officially talking rubbish.

Nice blog justin, post more.

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I was going to mention something about this. You descrive the armenian for half an hour yet, the hand isnt against him. I dont know how you shoul interpret the fact tat he was about to stick some chips in there, does that mean that armenian finally decided villain has a monster and is unbluffable, or did he decide that villain most probably has air, but is afraid of you behind.

I dont know why everyone is saying that if you shove he cant call with lesser hands. I have seen it many times when people incorrectly put the wrong number of chips, and then go on to call because they think they are being bluffed at.

I think the best option here to be on the safe side would be to call and check call rivers especially that the action was that confusing.

[stephenNUTS]

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What is this a [censored] treasure hunt?

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LOL

[djk123]

Unless BB is going for the sick fake angleshoot bluff, he obviously has either AA,KK, or TT.

I guess this doesn't matter but why didn't you raise originally preflop?

edit: after looking at reponses it looks like i may be way off. i guess im missing something important. although in actual real life i would never fold here.

[betgo]

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Unless BB is going for the sick fake angleshoot bluff, he obviously has either AA,KK, or TT.

I guess this doesn't matter but why didn't you raise originally preflop?

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Why would you raise preflop? It seems like completing OOP after the UTG limp and maximizing your implied odds is much better.

I noticed looking at the PokerXFactor HHs that some people go by Chris Ferguson's extreme no limping rule and will never limp, including never limping behind.

[djk123]

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Unless BB is going for the sick fake angleshoot bluff, he obviously has either AA,KK, or TT.

I guess this doesn't matter but why didn't you raise originally preflop?

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Why would you raise preflop? It seems like completing OOP after the UTG limp and maximizing your implied odds is much better.

I noticed looking at the PokerXFactor HHs that some people go by Chris Ferguson's extreme no limping rule and will never limp, including never limping behind.

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i dont have a no limping rule, but i like to raise my good hands. based on description of utg i dont think justin should have any problem playing 88 oop vs him. should be easier to win a big pot too if we raise.

[shaundeeb]

heh for some reason AKss or AQss stick out to me for his hand. I think your plan for PF and flop were comepletely wrong with 300bbs raising 8s for value there in SB is fine you want the pot size to be bigger when you flop a set and possible underset utg. Also you can narrow BB and UTG ranges better when you raise PF. Given that you did that why are you c/ring the flop? It's draw less and he folds everything but AK AA and KK on the flop. I much rather c/c flop and do something goofy on the turn to get more value from worse hands outside of AK. I def call turn with a little over a PSB effective left. I don't see any reason for betting any river card even the case 8. I prob c/call any river besides Jx Qx as he's not betting his sets then or turing aces up into a bluff.

[tpir]

I have read this post like 10 times now and I don't think I am any closer to determining what the key is.

That being said, BB trying to just call on the turn with Armenian man left to act behind him screams insane strength to me. If I were good I might fold now. I suck though and would probably try to spike an 8 (lol) and then lose a river bet.

[g-p]

if you 3bet big it looks like you are trying to take advantage of his "mistake," so he probably calls with a bigger range