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Old 09-29-2007, 03:43 PM
stackingboxes stackingboxes is offline
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Default 600nl, JJ underepped facing 3 barrel.

Vilain is rather solid, 20/17.
I almost always raise with JJ, decided to mix it up this time. I think his raising range against early limper is pretty wide, so I don't like my flat call preflop now.

however, my question is postflop. I really don't know if he is good enough to value push the river with AT here, I think AT is the worst hand he is vbetting, and the rest makes up air or FH.

I donno, is this a river fold? don't tell me it is a turn fold..

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $1,401.30
Hero (BB): $567.25
UTG: $1,140.70
MP: $591.00
CO: $597.00
BTN: $569.10

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $6.00, MP calls $6.00, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $30.00</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $24.00, UTG calls $24.00, MP folds

Flop: ($99) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $70.00</font>, Hero calls $70.00, UTG folds

Turn: ($239) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $150.00</font>, Hero calls $150.00

River: ($539) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets all-in for $319.10</font>

Pot Size: $858.10
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Old 09-29-2007, 03:44 PM
Rampage_Jackson Rampage_Jackson is offline
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Default Re: 600nl, JJ underepped facing 3 barrel.

Looks like you are getting taken to town by QQ+. I might fold river.
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Old 09-29-2007, 03:53 PM
Kyuss Kyuss is offline
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Default Re: 600nl, JJ underepped facing 3 barrel.

PF passive yes, but as played depending on UTG's stats I might've reraised this flop, or coldcall followed by bet/fold turn. Checking on a board of undercards to showdown just gives you no idea what villain has when he makes moves like this.
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Old 09-29-2007, 05:04 PM
KeanuReaver KeanuReaver is offline
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Default Re: 600nl, JJ underepped facing 3 barrel.

dang playing passive oop is tricky business
jam turn
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Old 09-29-2007, 09:38 PM
Erik W Erik W is offline
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Default Re: 600nl, JJ underepped facing 3 barrel.

if he was utg you can call this pre
3b pre when he raises on button

postflop is hard to play oop against good opponents if you don't have his tendencies. this is very read dependant
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Old 09-29-2007, 11:05 PM
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Default Re: 600nl, JJ underepped facing 3 barrel.

I call this
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Old 09-29-2007, 11:13 PM
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Default Re: 600nl, JJ underepped facing 3 barrel.

I worked at trying think through a legitimate range here and with no description of postflop or preflop play (20/17 doesn't tell us anything about his handrange to raise two limpers on the button). This hand is impossible to evaluate.
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: 600nl, JJ underepped facing 3 barrel.

I'd call this. You hands looks like top pair, something like TJ/QT/KT, I think he can shove AT pretty easily for value, as well as perhaps KT. It's close though, and the river might be a fold. We are getting sick odds though and like you said our hand is really underrepped here. These games are pretty aggressive also which makes me lean more towards a call.
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:47 AM
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Default Re: 600nl, JJ underepped facing 3 barrel.

[ QUOTE ]
I'd call this. You hands looks like top pair, something like TJ/QT/KT, I think he can shove AT pretty easily for value, as well as perhaps KT. It's close though, and the river might be a fold. We are getting sick odds though and like you said our hand is really underrepped here. These games are pretty aggressive also which makes me lean more towards a call.

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I had the same though process as you. However AT would be the very bottom of his value push range. and only one i beat..maybe T9 as well, but i don't see T9 betting the turn.
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: 600nl, JJ underepped facing 3 barrel.

This is a pretty sick spot because if he's good he's value shoving worse.
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