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Old 08-30-2007, 07:21 PM
MrBump MrBump is offline
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Default NL10 - KK in the blinds, awful flop

Tricky spot. I put villain on a wide range here obviously. His stats were 26/4/0.8 over 60 hands.

My decision to continue or not in the hand was simple IMO - Do I believe he has an Ace or not ?

Should I c-bet this to find out where I am early in the hand ? On the other hand, even if he doesn't have an Ace, if I bet out, is he really going to believe I have one ?!

Tricky spot [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 7 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $10.40
Hero (BB): $10.50
UTG: $5.50
UTG+1: $11.85
MP: $11.75
CO: $5.60
BTN: $16.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7 Players)
4 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $0.30</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.90</font>, BTN calls $0.60
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to Hero

Flop: ($1.85) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)

Hero ?
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Old 08-30-2007, 07:27 PM
KurtSF KurtSF is offline
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Default Re: NL10 - KK in the blinds, awful flop

Raise more preflop.

This isn't a particularly good flop for your hand, but its a far sight from an awful one. Bet $1.50.
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Old 08-30-2007, 07:36 PM
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Default Re: NL10 - KK in the blinds, awful flop

This is less aweful than a single A flop, bet.
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Old 08-30-2007, 07:48 PM
AlexB182 AlexB182 is offline
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Default Re: NL10 - KK in the blinds, awful flop

Reraise more PF, def CB the flop. I'd say you re taking the pot down right there 80 % of the time and can release safely the other 20 % when he just calls or raises..
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Old 08-30-2007, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: NL10 - KK in the blinds, awful flop

You need to bet out since you reraised; I think if you don't villain will bluff most likely with pot-sized bet to push you out. I'd agree that 1.5 is a good size for this flop bet. If you get a call, keep the pot small if you don't feel you're committed to going all-in.
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Old 08-31-2007, 04:54 AM
MrBump MrBump is offline
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Default Re: NL10 - KK in the blinds, awful flop

Thanks for the comments. Here is what happened on the flop:

BET Hero , $1.10
RAISE BTN, $2.20 to $3.30
FOLD Hero

Comments ?

Also, a couple of you mentioned betting more preflop ? What is a standard 3-bet preflop ? I raised this for value, but I also want action, right ? Thanks for your help [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 08-31-2007, 05:00 AM
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Default Re: NL10 - KK in the blinds, awful flop

3-bet to like $1.2 pre-flop.

Check-call flop.
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Old 08-31-2007, 05:04 AM
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Default Re: NL10 - KK in the blinds, awful flop

I'd make it 1.1 - 1.2 here preflop. I don't tink there's a receipe but I think a normal 3-bet is 3-4 times more than the initial raise. Just make sure to add that to the ammount you need to call. So here you call .2 and raise 3x0.3

I think Alex is right, a cbet here is mandatory and takes the pot most of the times. The result in this particular case should't bother you. You've made the corect play.
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Old 08-31-2007, 05:38 AM
WantToLearn WantToLearn is offline
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Default Re: NL10 - KK in the blinds, awful flop

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BET Hero , $1.10
RAISE BTN, $2.20 to $3.30
FOLD Hero

Comments ?


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IŽd also play it like that.

Preflop (even though it has been said before) raise more.
Actually, I 3-bet so much that he can not profitably call with smaller pairs for set value.
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Old 08-31-2007, 05:42 AM
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Default Re: NL10 - KK in the blinds, awful flop

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3-bet to like $1.2 pre-flop.

Check-call flop.

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Yep. And this really isn't that bad of a flop.
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