General set advice searched

[recallme]

In my last 5k hands i run pretty cold not getting any action on my strong hands (set or better)

I have 2 examples. and i would like to know how you play it against 2 different Villains.

1. Villain is Vpip: 20-24 and PFR: 13-20 and AF: 3 (obviously pretty decent)
and the other one is unknown.
1.
Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $3456
CO: $2362.50
Button: $1970
SB: $350
hero: $2087

Pre-flop: (5 players) hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $70</font>, 3 folds, hero calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($150, 2 players)

Board is drawy, we are OOP vs preflopraiser.


2.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $3456
CO: $2362.50
Button: $1970
SB: $350
hero: $2087

Pre-flop: (5 players) hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $70</font>, 3 folds, hero calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($150, 2 players)

Board is dry, but hit his range pretty often.

I recently prefer the c/r line in the first example for both my draws and my strong hands, because i can catch Villains cbets here pretty good. If called i will lead turn for 3/5 to 3/4 of the pot with both.
Which lines do you prefer.

[luegofuego]

waaaaait for it, waaaaaaaaait for it....



















it depends.

b/3b, b/c, c/r and c/c are all viable on both boards depending on the villain and ur history. like if u have checkcalled and checkfolded to second barrels a lot in the past u can c/c and c/rai, or if u have gotten out of line with draws in the past u can c/r etc. it all depends what villain thinks u wont do with a set.

[Black winter day]

Mostly a big c/r in hand 1, cause i do it with draws as well and on this board it's very likely i have a draw.

Hand 2 really depends on a villain.If he is a passive station, i obviously lead.If he is a LAG, i might check-call and lead turn, almost always looks fishy to them and they raise air.Against a standard TAG really depends on my history against him...All lines are viable.

And if you don't get action, it's because they probably missed the flop...

[Scipio]

In example one i think it´s an easy checkraise.We can checkraise our draws, too, because there aren´t many draws in our range. AQss, AJss, perhaps KQss/QJss.With this draws we have nice equity against his pushing/callingrange.


In example two villain often has a gutshot.
On a A92r Board i would check/call the flop and checkraise the turn. AT5r is close and it depends on your other lines and your range. What is your coldcalling range?

22-JJ? Does villain know that you are a good player?
As a default line i think i check/raise this flop because villain can only put us on 55/TT or a bluff.

[pp262]

In a vacuum for the first one I mix it up between bet/3bet and checkraise. In the 2nd one I like c/c lead turn.

It's very opponent sepecific though and as luegofuego has said you have to mix it up based on image and history.

[Hensa]

There is always something awkward to C/R draws. What do we do if he pushs ? what do we do when he calls and turn is blank ( I guess his flop-call is not good, but it happens )

[Hattifnatt]

If you regularly c/r draws I def prefer a (pretty big) c/r in hand 1, esp if villian is aware of that but I prefer that even if he's not. If you aren't c/r draws regularly I like c/c c/r turn in that hand.

Hand 2 I prefer leading even though c/r is fine as well, if you decide to c/c, I think leading the turn.

Players are more apt to fire second barrels on the hand 1 board than hand 2.

[DanJ.]

in the first one i c/r there almost all day, maybe sometimes i would b/3b but c/r a huge % of the time.

In 2nd one, if the guy has bad hand reading skills i will c/r but if hes good ill c/c, reason is im pretty sure i never c/r AT5 rainbow with anything apart from set, i dont even think its possible for me to have AT there...

[Boredom]

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There is always something awkward to C/R draws. What do we do if he pushs ? what do we do when he calls and turn is blank ( I guess his flop-call is not good, but it happens )

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In the first hand, if he pushes and you have a FD with likely overcard, or a FD with gutshot or better straight draw (the only draws you should probably c/r in this spot imo), it's easy you call. You are going to checkraise to like 550 to 650 here. When he pushes it will be like 1350-ish back to you to win 2550, and unless he is a total nit who always folds overpairs to the checkraise you are +ev against his range.

If he calls there will be 1350 in the pot on the turn and that much left in your stack roughly; with 13-15 outs probably and any chance he folds at all you shove the turn. It would definitely be best to make the flop c/r on the bigger side to ensure you have odds here.

[recallme]

I think we came to a good point here:
We should play our big hand similiar to a draw.

So let`s go on with just the first hand which seems more interesting.

Í think the general consensus was we won`t give a free turn, so either it`s b/3bet, c/r or b/c and lead turn.
I think the most used are either c/r or b/3bet.


What sizing would you choose? Would you choose the same sizing?

Let`s say:
c/r like Villain bets 100, Hero now raises to 400 or 600?

bet/3bet like Hero bets 100, Villain raises to 350, Hero pushes or raises to 1000