live 3/6 how much of a hand do i have here?

[RudeboyOi]

6 or 7 handed at this point

some folds
LP nitty player raises
some more folds
i defend with 4d9d in the BB

flop is 358 (i have no 3-flush)
i c/r her
she doublechecks her cards and 3bets

can i even call here?

im not too concerned about metagame consequences

[jba]

no you have no hand here.

also what does nitty mean pf? can she have A9o or KTo?

[RudeboyOi]

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no you have no hand here.

also what does nitty mean pf? can she have A9o or KTo?

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yes A9+ KT+ QJ+ 88+ is likely her range here

perhaps a bit tighter AT+ KJ+ 99+

[jba]

ok flop is ok depending on your image, now fold.

[TheHip41]

from your last few post, I assume you are playing 3-6 live.

When they raise, they have JJ+, and AK

Fold PF, your hands sucks.

c/f the flop. you are losing, they aren't going to fold overs.

[Scorcho]

Why on earth would you take a stand against a nitty preflop raiser with 94?

[jba]

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Why on earth would you take a stand against a nitty preflop raiser with 94?

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because they'll fold?

I was playing 6 handed recently and this hand came up..

aggro guy raises utg, folds to BB nit who calls (his range is way ahead here). flop Q66 he check/folds 55 face up. like how do you not c/r 94 in this spot against him.

edit; the way to make money is to reinforce the mistakes of bad players. if they call too much valuebet to death. if they fold too much bluff to death. pretty basic stuff

[TheHip41]

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Why on earth would you take a stand against a nitty preflop raiser with 94?

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because they'll fold?

I was playing 6 handed recently and this hand came up..

aggro guy raises utg, folds to BB nit who calls (his range is way ahead here). flop Q66 he check/folds 55 face up. like how do you not c/r 94 in this spot against him.

edit; the way to make money is to reinforce the mistakes of bad players. if they call too much valuebet to death. if they fold too much bluff to death. pretty basic stuff

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but when nitty players raise pf, they don't have folding hands, esp at 3-6.

seriously, this is a fold ever street.

[RudeboyOi]

look youre missing out on monies vs this villian
if youre gonna release your hand often postflop
when your range leans towards two big cards
im gonna defend in the bb with almost anything
with the intention of c/r flop and b/f the turn
on ragged uncoordinated boards such as Q73
if i see 2 broadway cards flop im outta there

[TheHip41]

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look youre missing out on monies vs this villian
if youre gonna release your hand often postflop
when your range leans towards two big cards
im gonna defend in the bb with almost anything
with the intention of c/r flop and b/f the turn
on ragged uncoordinated boards such as Q73
if i see 2 broadway cards flop im outta there

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here's how it goes.

You play 3-6 Live, you probalby suck at poker

I play 10-20 online, I do suck at poker, just at a much higher level.

I've played in those games, when ppl raise PF, they don't have QJo, they have AK, or a PP, and they aren't folding anywhere.

The mere act of calling a raise with 94s against a PFR from LP that raises less than 5% of the time is costing you money.

C/r the flop with no pair, no draw, when you usually need to hit runner/runner to win, or at least a pair to outdraw AK, when they won't even fold AK, is going to cost you money.

I understand the concept of your play, and it works great against me online, 6max, but live play, esp 3-6 is not real poker.

next time you try this, at least have a draw to beat AA, so you can hit 'something' on the turn that gives you the winner.

and btw, most good players know about the "c/r the flop of Q62" with nothing play, and it won't work.