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[Arito]

My play and thoughts are the exact same as this ^^

[youtalkfunny]

LOL at anybody who thinks it's a good idea to try to tilt a player like this.

Tilting a champion is +EV. Tilting an idiot is 0EV or worse.

[PantsOnFire]

I say to dealer "I am tabling my hand and I want to see his full hand as well" and then I flip over my cards.

[iversonian]

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He's been doing it with a friend and nobody has suggested to them that they shouldn't do that. Suddenly you become a nit and don't understand that they may feel a bit blindsided.

Why does this have to be a game of chicken? Why can't you simply table your hand? If you win, great, good range read on the guy. If he mucks, obviously his kicker is worse than yours and doesn't pair the board. You want to continue making money off of him, right? Why antagonize him? As to others, anybody who is smart enough to even care about your hand could piece together something reasonable if he showed and you folded. I see nothing to gain by holding up the game here. What do you have to prove and to whom?

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I'm not looking to make money off this guy. I, along with everyone else at the table, was looking to make money off the lunatic. Neither do I care about pissing him off and having him walk away. If anything, it would be better for me, not because he's particularly good or anything but because he's a short stack (if we're in a pot together, he'll probably be ahead) and that's one less player to take lunatic's money (it was 7am with no waiting list). Also, this guy is a loudmouth that the rest of the table is probably annoyed by as well, but table dynamics aren't changing at all in any case. We're all after lunatic's money and that's that.

[iversonian]

I should clarify. Lunatic bought in $200 at a time about 10 times now, with plenty more behind. Nobody involved was going anywhere, regardless of the outcome of the hand. I think I'll post a TR about this sometime.

[iversonian]

And I elected in this case to take option B. He showed a deuce before I showed my winner, but he kept jawing at me afterwards. A short while thereafter, I decided the money wasn't worth putting up with two douchbags (lunatic was an [censored] as well but got away with everything, of course, since dealers were getting >$5 tips a hand, we were getting rich, and the table would break without the lunatic). It was also 7am as well. In retrospect, I think that if I had taken option 1 and just played another hour or two, it would have been extremely profitable. But then, there is the issue of principle...

[iversonian]

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In my limited live experience I have not seen these problems occur at my tables,

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Guve it time. You'll see how annoying it is to watch 2 people do this over a small pot. Eventually, you'll just call that you want to see all hands just to get the hand over with.

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This was a $300 pot. I had a $1200 stack and about two players at the table who could stack me. Giving away information about my hand unnecessarily is costly. I was playing very few hands (past the flop), basically just picking my spots against the lunatic.

[bernie]

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Guve it time. You'll see how annoying it is to watch 2 people do this over a small pot. Eventually, you'll just call that you want to see all hands just to get the hand over with.

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This was a $300 pot. I had a $1200 stack and about two players at the table who could stack me. Giving away information about my hand unnecessarily is costly. I was playing very few hands (past the flop), basically just picking my spots against the lunatic.

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What does this have to do with wanting to see the guys cards? Or are you now changing this to: You didn't want to reveal anything if you didn't have to?

Just flip your hand over.

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[iversonian]

The only reason why your post was cited at all was because you implied that the pot I was involved in was small or that your opinion is any different if the pot is big. Need any more clarification?

And no, I don't want to reveal anything if I don't have to. So call me crazy.

[bernie]

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The only reason why your post was cited at all was because you implied that the pot I was involved in was small or that your opinion is any different if the pot is big. Need any more clarification?

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I could care less about the pot size. I was implying that most of the time when this crap happens the pot is small and nobody really cares. If the pot is bigger, some other mopes might care just a titch more, but then they'll get tired of waiting also. But then, this crap seems even more rampant on n/l games.

It's also nice how you changed it from wanting to see his cards because he was being a jerk and all to now you want to justify holding up the game because you want to conceal your hand. No one is going to figure out all your arsenal of plays because they see one hand of yours.

Just turn your hand over and get on with it.

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