TT OOP vs small 4-bet

[skier_5]

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your hand looks pretty [censored] strong to villian and I'm sure he is going to play a lot of hands slowly - including AA (ie possibly checking the flop)

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If my hand look strong then why would he check the flop with AA? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Anyway, as I said I don't think his is good with these stacks. What do I do if I cover him, for example?

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because his flop bet looks even stronger, and on a lot of boards there aren't a lot of scare cards and checking the flop is tricky and deceptive obv [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

I didn't really articulate myself well, I just think that it's going to be extremely difficult OOP and that there's a good chance it will end up in you playing guessing games.

edit: I mean,

You call, flop comes 892r you check, he checks. Turn is a 3 bringing a bd flush draw, you check, he bets 2/3 pot, you're already in a [censored] spot, you call. river is a deuce no flush draw, you check, he shoves and it just gets worse when the turn is an A/K (or even other overcard).

[Number27]

Just used 4bet calculator and if he's 3betting 22+,A2s+,KJo,KTs+,QJ,56s+ but calling only with JJ+,AKo,AKs we show an immediate profit of $533.58 and have 40% equity against his calling range.

Of course if his 4bet range is this wide he should be calling with a wider range; but tagfish rarely think like this.

Anyway, shove pf.

[Number27]

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b) if so, at what stack size is it better to call the 4-bet than to 5-bet. Or is there in practise never a point where it's better to call a 4 bet OOP with TT than to fold/rr?

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Using a equity calc with his wide 4bet range and narrow calling range of 5bets it becomes -ev to shove at around $11,000.

[Jamougha]

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b) if so, at what stack size is it better to call the 4-bet than to 5-bet. Or is there in practise never a point where it's better to call a 4 bet OOP with TT than to fold/rr?

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Using a equity calc with his wide 4bet range and narrow calling range of 5bets it becomes -ev to shove at around $11,000.

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That doesn't mean that it's best though. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Number27]

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b) if so, at what stack size is it better to call the 4-bet than to 5-bet. Or is there in practise never a point where it's better to call a 4 bet OOP with TT than to fold/rr?

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Using a equity calc with his wide 4bet range and narrow calling range of 5bets it becomes -ev to shove at around $11,000.

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That doesn't mean that it's best though. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Definitely not. Depends on his post flop tendencies; but when we get deeper than ~8,000 there are definitely lines that are more +ev especially if he's fishy.