"Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers?

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Hello all. Im stopping by here first to clear a few things up then i will be posting on pokerati. I am the dealer that put out the last hand. I was in the payout room with Jerry as a representative for the dealers. I do not know if chris was invited or not but that is beside the point. First I want to say that Jerry is a wonderfull, big hearted man that played a great tourney for somebody that has only been playing for 2 years. HE DID NOT STIFF US! He was misled and didnt know any better. A stiff is someone who knows all the facts and refuses to toke and wont even say thank you. Next, we do not get paid by the hour this year, we get paid by downs (each table we deal), we do get an hourly $6.41 from harrahs. As for the main this year, 1.8% was withheld for the staff, which i might add is the smallest we have been given in years. It is split 30% to the Floor staff and its supposed to be 70% for the dealers but i have heard that a chunk of that is going to the chip runners and cashiers....dont quote me on that cuz i dont know for a fact. Now We started the main this year with over 700 dealers and that was too many in my opinion because they were getting very little downs per day and having forced days off. We are NOT garunteed $25 a down, Dan misunderstood me when I was explaining to him what we have been averageing this year. Now I am not good at math without chips and cards infront of me but everything that goes into the toke pool must be shared between all dealers for that 11 days and going by CF's number that he stated in the payout room to Jerry means that we should only recieve $214 for 11 days of work? Hmmm that doesnt sound to good to me.
As for what happened last night, Jerry trusted CF to give him very sound advice because he has never won anything like this before. The issue I have is when the payout clerk asked Jerry if he would like to leave anything ADDITIONAL (yes that is how it was stated) for the dealers, Jerry looked to chris and asked What he should do. CF Told him that the dealers already get 2%, he was then corrected by someone in the room with us that its 1.8%, so CF goes on to say that "It works out to be around 170K that you have already tipped them so no, I would not leave anything more." It Was very wrong of CF to state it in that manner because he was flat out misleading. I stood there smiling, waited for Jerry to finish signing his paperwork then hugged and congratulated him once more, very sincerly. Of course i was pissed, not that Jerry declined to tip but that CF was giving him great advice on everything else but was completely wrong when it came to the dealers. I couldn't say anything because that would be considered soliciting. I just wish that he would have been properly informed and if then he declined, I am perfectly fine with that. Yes we make good money for what we do and unfortunately there are some greedy ones in the bunch. Alot of you out there calling me greedy need to understand that because i choose to work the circuit for harrahs and travel with them, I have to pay all my own expenses, my own health care and we only work about 2 weeks every month. We depend on the WSOP to make up for the rest of the year to keep us all fed till January. This 45 days of hard work is atleast 2/3 of most of our incomes. Now I believe that harrahs with the huge vig every event should be the ones responsible for giving us a bigger chunk and I think that tipping is a very personal thing that should be left to every individual to decide on and not bitter players who wish to bash us "greedy sons of...". I for one dont expect anything that i have not earned but I always appreciate a thank you for a job well done and that doesnt have to be in the form of cash and last night it was in the form of a huge hug. I love my job even with the ups and downs and honestly, This years WSOP was a great time for me. So hopefully this rambling clears up a few things and starts alot more discussions on how things can be done even better next year for all involved.

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Paraaagraaaphs are fuuuuuuun for ev'ryooooooone.

Two things Harrahs sucks and they dont seem to take care of the dealers like they are supposed to.

And why was Chris Ferguson even in the payout room? Was he staking Yang? or expecting a tip of his own? That part really seems odd to me.

[PITTM]

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Every year it seems like there's drama about what someone tipped or didn't tip.

Ferguson simply pointed out that he already had $150,000 taken out of his prize for the dealers. That seems like important information. When they ask you if you want to leave a tip, I don't think they say, "You've already tipped $150,000, would you like to leave anything more than that?"

If someone told me that the guy won $8 million and left a $150,000 tip for the dealers, I would think that sounded like a nice tip. I'm certainly not going to think less of the guy because the tip was automatically deducted.

If I go to a restaurant and they automatically add an 18% tip onto the check, and that's all we leave, I think it would be pretty lame to claim we "stiffed" the waitress. Yet that's the title of this post.

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this is like, post of the thread imo.

[qdmcg]

Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can deal cards. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.

[AngusThermopyle]

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You guys are so accustomed to seeing dealers come here and whine about their tips after every WSOP that you're incapable of actually reading any of their posts.

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I read her posts.
She said she was angry at Ferguson for "misleading" Yang.
Yet she refuses to say how CF "misled" him. I showed how Ferguson's numbers were very close, yet she refuses to answer that point.

The OP title of ' "Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers ?' and the Pokerati title of 'How Jesus Helped Jerry Yang Stiff the Dealers' seem to set the tone, ie dealers were screwed and Ferguson was out of line.

[snagglepuss]

after listening to many dealers all summer bitch about tipping when they should have been dealing cards pretty much made me want to not tip them at all in the event that i managed a big win. it was pretty ludicrous and on a couple occasions i almost chimed in to tell the dealer to shut up about it when they kept ranting.

way too much money is already being sucked out by harrahs (yay rake the rebuys. yay double the rake of most tourneys), and i dont think i would part with so much as another % of my winnings.

however in the light of an enormous win, i would likely track down as many highly competent or friendly/quality dealers as i could remember over the summer and tip them very generously.

[iversonian]

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Great another thread about tipping dealers.
I am a Craps and BJ dealer and this quote is another reason why i will never deal poker. Statements from Jerkoffs like these are why. If you dont beleive in tipping then dont do it, but dont try to influence others on what to do.

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Seriously, how DARE they try to influence others.

[fnurt]

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You guys are so accustomed to seeing dealers come here and whine about their tips after every WSOP that you're incapable of actually reading any of their posts.

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I read her posts.
She said she was angry at Ferguson for "misleading" Yang.
Yet she refuses to say how CF "misled" him. I showed how Ferguson's numbers were very close, yet she refuses to answer that point.

The OP title of ' "Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers ?' and the Pokerati title of 'How Jesus Helped Jerry Yang Stiff the Dealers' seem to set the tone, ie dealers were screwed and Ferguson was out of line.

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I agree with you on this point. In fact, somewhere earlier in the thread, I have a long post sticking up for Ferguson. However, the fact remains that this dealer has not once whined about how anyone, including Yang, should have tipped more. So I just want to be fair.

[W brad]

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I can, and do, cut my own hair.

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For that, we need pictures.

[Double Ice]

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Great another thread about tipping dealers.
I am a Craps and BJ dealer and this quote is another reason why i will never deal poker. Statements from Jerkoffs like these are why. If you dont beleive in tipping then dont do it, but dont try to influence others on what to do.

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Seriously, how DARE they try to influence others.

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This is not the issue. The issue is that many dealers, strippers, cocktail waitresses, etc. frequently completely lie / exaggerate their income wildly to generate more tips.

[pkrporcupine]

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I got my tip, a wonderful heartfelt hug from a good guy and it was priceless, plus my share of the $743,866.00 tip given to us dealers by you players as well as my regular salary and would still be very pleased with having a voice on the players advisory board so changes can be made so we can get extra tips assured for next year.

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fyp
Next time take it up with your employer, not your employers <font color="green"> customers! </font>

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you are an absolute idiot. you can cut and paste and rewrite my posts all you want it just continues to show how truely childish and small minded y'all are.

and sue.....used to be a dealer? what happened? hard to believe that you ever made any money with such a crappy attitude so its understandable that you quit.