Facing a river check after heavy turn action

[Chris Daddy Cool]

You're sitting in a pretty aggressive mid-high stakes game (30/60+ online 100/200+ live). You're headsup in a pot with position and your opponent just bet-3-bet you or checkraised you on the turn and then checks a blankish river. How often are you value betting a weakish made hand here like top pair weak kicker or second pair strong kicker? How often will you bluff a missed draw? And finally, what type of hand do you put your opponent on given his line?

Two examples would be something like
You have KJ on JT842 board maybe with a flush draw or two.

Or if you held K8 on a 84332 board.

[DeathDonkey]

So opponent dependent I can hardly answer. I'm rarely bluffing in this spot though, I feel you get called or checkraised a ton. Of the two the first board seems better for him to be out of line on the turn and still have something he can call me with on the river, so I guess I'd be more likely to bet that one. If I bet I would know what I was doing if checkraised depending on the opponent, and usually the answer would be calling quickly, otherwise I woulda just checked behind.

-DeathDonkey

[baronzeus]

im probably rarely value betting and often bluffing when i bet in a spot like this. obviously board/hand dependent though. like if i have J high and the board is like 87422 im betting 100% of the time

[gehrig]

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im probably rarely value betting and often bluffing when i bet in a spot like this. obviously board/hand dependent though. like if i have J high and the board is like 87422 im betting 100% of the time

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i think thats pretty backwards. the guy is either getting cute with a cr or he was bluffing turn and then figures he has showdown value on the river.

in the example u give i dont think theres any value at all in betting. if hes giving up with a bluff (which i think is pretty rarely the case) then u can prob check and win too

[baronzeus]

well, we have differing ideas on what our opponent has. in my eyes its either monster or nothing.

aka he might have K6 and checkraise his gutter then give up on the river

[Hielko]

Or he semi-bluffed a draw and hit a pair on the river instead the flush/straight and thinks he could be good now against other missed draws.