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#61
07-05-2007, 08:33 PM
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One of McNabb's problems is he isn't very durable. I don't know if he will put in enough good years into his mid 30's since he can't seem to stay healthy the last couple of years he has played. As long as Reid and comp. stay onboard I think he has a decent shot to add a ring before he is done.
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#62
07-05-2007, 08:42 PM
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Vance Johnson or Todd Pinkston Mark Jackson or James Thrash Ricky Nattiel or Freddie Mitchell Shannon Sharpe or Chad Lewis Terrell Davis or Duce Staley McNabb now (at 30 y/o): 8 seasons, 104 games 5 Pro Bowls 1 Super Bowl (no win) 4 Conference Championship games 3 times in top 10 in TD passes 3 times in top 10 in yards/attempt Passing: 1898/3259 (58.2) 22080 6.8 y/a 152/72 (2.11 ratio) Rushing: 447-2726 6.1 avg 24 TD Elway at 30 y/o: 8 seasons, 116 games 3 Pro Bowls 3 Super Bowls (no wins) 3 Conference Championship games 3 times in top 10 in TD passes 1 time in top 10 in yards/attempt Passing: 1959/3572 (54.8) 24721 6.9 y/a 135/128 (1.05 ratio) Rushing: 405-1933 4.8 avg 14 TD I'd say McNabb wins easily. He needs three more very good years and a ring to get to the HoF, or seven more with two rings to end up with a better career than Elway. [/ QUOTE ] IMO Elway >>>>>> McNabb. Still, I don't get the hate on Donovan. Are there Rush Limbaugh fans in this thread or something?
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#64
07-05-2007, 09:08 PM
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#65
07-06-2007, 12:39 AM
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That might be true to some degree, but you still have to consider that Vinatieri's kicks come from an extremely small sample size. If he makes both Super Bowl winning kicks, he is zomg the clutchest kicker of all time. If he misses both Super Bowl winning kicks, he is zomg the biggest choker ever. That's a lot of variance for two kicks. [/ QUOTE ] Finally someone gets it.
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#66
07-06-2007, 01:38 AM
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Re: NFL HOF for active players
The "lock" list is missing Curtis Martin since he has not officially retired.
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#67
07-06-2007, 01:52 AM
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We can argue either way about his Superbowl winners should are standard kicks everyone should make, but the two (especially to send the game to OT) in the Snowbowl vs. Raiders were insanely difficult. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZcOzQXf6Hk [/ QUOTE ] He also made a game-winning 46 yarder in near-zero temperature in a 2003-4 playoff game vs. the Titans. I still remember thinking Belichick was wrong to go for a FG in that spot.
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#68
07-06-2007, 06:18 AM
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[ QUOTE ] I think that the "clutch is so overated department" gets thrown out when your talking about kickers. Your talking about something most of these guys can do in their sleep. However, it is so rare to find a kicker that no matter how important the situation is, he can come through. Kicking is very mental, there are probably 50-60 guys who have the talent to kick in the NFL. Very few have the mental strength to back that up. And there is only one that has been able to hold on to that mental strength through alot of adversity for a good number of years. [/ QUOTE ] That might be true to some degree, but you still have to consider that Vinatieri's kicks come from an extremely small sample size. If he makes both Super Bowl winning kicks, he is zomg the clutchest kicker of all time. If he misses both Super Bowl winning kicks, he is zomg the biggest choker ever. That's a lot of variance for two kicks. [/ QUOTE ] It's not the variance, it's standing over those kicks knowing that if you make them it's, "Cluchiest ever!!" and if you miss them, "Massive Choker!!" There are very few moments like this in any sport. His job and really his livelyhood is riding on those kicks. Ask Scott Norwood and Mike Vanderjadt where you go when you miss easy big kicks. Sure you can miss a kick or two in the Superbowl or Championship games, but when the game is riding on a kick everything is different in the pressure and the way people will react. Clutch might be the wrong word, but the mental power it takes to succeed in that situation is the rare quality that makes him HOF worthy. Granted he had to be put in those situations, but to succeed time and again is a more than just variance.
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#69
07-06-2007, 08:04 AM
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The McNabb/Elway stat comparisons beg reconsideration of Namath vs Hadl (who remains a candidate). Plus the anti-quarterback bias that is developing on the committee as a backlash to quarterback overpopulation in the HOF.
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#70
07-06-2007, 08:42 AM
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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] That might be true to some degree, but you still have to consider that Vinatieri's kicks come from an extremely small sample size. If he makes both Super Bowl winning kicks, he is zomg the clutchest kicker of all time. If he misses both Super Bowl winning kicks, he is zomg the biggest choker ever. That's a lot of variance for two kicks. [/ QUOTE ] Finally someone gets it. [/ QUOTE ] I get it. I still say he is a total lock to get in.
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