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[Troll_Inc]

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I think it's because a lot of the plays in Omaha are pretty simple, but whatever.


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There are probably more "standard" PLO plays than NLHE; however, but I think one can easily come up with a list of 10 PLO spots that are more difficult than the same in NLHE.

And people post a lot of hands here that get answered all the time, it just gets old (for most people) after a few months.

[Bavid Denyamine]

Ok, you said what I was trying to a lot better.

[iggymcfly]

It seems like all of the really difficult spots in PLO are read-driven. The only times I'm honestly not sure if I played a hand right are when the read's too complex to really explain properly to a forum.

NLHE seems like it has more abstract spots and more of the reads can be gained by bet-sizing etc., rather than timing and past history so it lends itself to forum posts better.

[luckyjimm]

When I started on Full Tilt PLO last December I played $1/$2 and ran so good:

First 24 hours turned $200 into $2000
Next session won $3400 i.e. 17 buy-ins
Next session won $1500

I was hitting everything and my opponents were terrible.

Then... I don't know, maybe I was doomswitched, maybe I started playing worse, maybe there were particularly bad players active around between Christmas and NYE, but suddenly it stopped being easy money and I lost most of it back!

[luckyjimm]

Some typical difficult spots:

* A backdoor flush comes when you have a set or straight against loose aggro opponent

* You've raised with AA; there's a paired flop and you're not sure if your opponent/s has actually hit trips or is bluffing.

* You flop trips, bet them out, but by the river you haven't housed up and aren't sure if your opponent has a house, overpair, or air.

* You have a non-nut flush and don't know if it's good.

* You flop two pair - usually you'd dump it, rather than take your chance against a set or a strong draw, but sometimes on the river it's still good versus your opponent's busted draws.

Any others?

[morphball]

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so i watched some CR vids on plo, i read a little bit and spent some time considering the game, I think i have the fundamentals down, I'm beating the SSNL games pretty easily but its mostly because I have yet to encounter a good opponent... everyone is sooooooooooooo bad... they like go all in with under pairs and a FD on like 987 board..

is this standard or are my games really soft?

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My guess is that within 20,000 hands you will feel PLO is all luck, and you won't be able to stand the fish for sucking out on you.

[luckyjimm]

Yesterday a guy called a pot bet on a KKK flop with 9 7 5 3r. We then checked turn/river; the sad thing is, he had me beat. His flop call has to be the most absurd thing I've ever seen, though.

[strega100]

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... everyone is sooooooooooooo bad... they like go all in with under pairs and a FD on like 987 board..

is this standard or are my games really soft?

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Having played Omaha high for 2 years now i learned some things:

looseness and aggressiveness vary dramatically on different sites. Noblepoker seems soft to me whereas Poco loco for example has a lot of lunatics calling, betting and raising alot. Sites with lots of European players are imo harder to beat. For the difficulties in Omaha: i totally agree with luckyjimm. These are the spots where a alot of money is made or burned.

[luckyjimm]

Better players will make marginal calls. I had a cautionary experience a few weeks ago. I sat at $5/$10 on Party with $500, a limit I'd never played before, and the very first hand I was dealt Icalled a raise preflop by a player with a $2500 stack. My hand contained the K of diamonds. The flop came AJ4, three diamonds. I repotted my opponent's continuation bet; he called. I bet the turn for most of my stack, sure that he couldn't have the nut flush and I was showing enormous strength. He re-raised me for my last $40 dollars. I called, knowing I was dead. He had raised me with an 8-high flush!!! Yes, it was good, and I was bust on my first hand.

[donkeykong2]

yeah, that s a pretty interesting spot. you are actually more likely to have the lone king here than the king high flush supposed you play both hands the same way.