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#1
05-15-2007, 12:44 AM
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whatever
20/40 live poker from a couple days ago.
some guy i don't know, but is probably bad open limps in mp. an older playing weak-ish guy limps in right after him. i raise it up on the button with A9. blinds get out of the way. 3 way action. flop AKK rainbow first guy checks. second guy bets. i call. other guy calls. turn: 6 first guy checks. second guy bets. i call. other guy calls. river 8 first guy fumbles around with his chips and now bets. second guy calls without much thought and then i fold without much thought, but maybe i should have thought? 
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#3
05-15-2007, 02:20 AM
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Re: whatever
I'd ignore the guy who called. I think you've got him beat most of the time. The key is would this guy bluff into the field, and would he *not* checkraise a king after you had already called the turn. But I think it comes down to how you feel vs. the river bettor. In other words, had the other guy folded, would you have folded so quickly?
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#6
05-15-2007, 05:52 AM
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Re: whatever
I don't like preflop, isn't this usually a fold? As played I would do the same
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#7
05-15-2007, 06:11 AM
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Re: whatever
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I don't like preflop, isn't this usually a fold? As played I would do the same [/ QUOTE ] No not against limping donkies. Raise it up. We are in position and play good. They are out of position and play bad.
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#9
05-15-2007, 05:44 PM
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Re: whatever
Have you considered an isolation/stop the action raise on the turn here? I love the play preflop... exactly in line with my thinking, especially if the blinds like to fold, which in a typical 20 game they like to do.
Flop: I don't mind the call on the flop either. Often a weak player will lead here with a weak A... something like A-5s or some such hand, but if you call the flop it needs to be with the intention of doing something on the turn. Turn: I love making a raise here and forcing out the other opponent and essentially stopping the action/making the two players define their love for their hand!! River: Tough spot here... it feels really sickening to be making an over call here. The trouble is that I feel you have the middle player beat, but your action hasn't told him of that. I think you are going to get shown 8's full here on the river by the bettor, and then want to puke!!
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#10
05-15-2007, 07:20 PM
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Re: whatever
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I don't like preflop, isn't this usually a fold? As played I would do the same [/ QUOTE ] I thought CDC played postflop well. Im not a fan of preflop either. I would fold A9o in this spot, but that doesnt mean thats the right play. I have no evidence to support the idea that folding here is better than raising. I think online this will usually be a clear fold becuz even if we have an equity edge preflop it will usually be very hard to cash in on that edge postflop due to the general higher aggressive activity inherent in online play. Hand values can change alot in a live setting simply becuz its so much easier to play optimally due to the higher passivity/honesty in most games. Some hands that are clearly not profitable online may be profitable live. Of course then you have the higher rake involved in live play that eats into the value of all hands making some profitable spots online unprofitable in live play. It is hard for me to say which factor should get a greater weighting when I decide to play a hand or not. For now I will assume that A9o is a fold in this spot becuz I dont know any better. Whenever I have a decision preflop and I dont know what the best line is between folding and doing something else, I almost always take the lower variance route and fold. FWIW, ATo is an auto-raise for me in this spot, and I see nothing wrong with raising A9s here.
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