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Old 05-06-2007, 07:59 PM
cha59 cha59 is offline
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Default Tough preflop decision - $90 live SNG

This game is at the Venetian.

10 players to start. Standard 50/30/20 payouts. The average skill level at the table is about equal to a current Stars 6.50.

1500 starting chips. Blinds started at 25/50. 15 minute blind levels.

If anyone at the table has paid attention to my play, Ive VP$IP once so far when I raised from CO and folded the flop when I missed and there was a bet and a call ahead of me. Its probably 50-50 that anyone has noticed how tight I've been to this point.

There are about 7 players left. We're in level 3 for this hand (75/150).

The hand:

CO shoves 600
Button folds
SB calls <--- this guy is a calling station and has a big stack.
BB is Hero with KQs and 1050 in stack before posting

Your plan is ???

I talked to two excellent SNG players about this hand and got what I think was a very good answer. I'll discuss that later, but I'm interested to see what you other guys think.
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Old 05-06-2007, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: Tough preflop decision - $90 live SNG

id like to shove, but either vill could easily have any A which puts us in a bad way. meh fold.

any idea on CO's range ?
i'm thinking SB is on a really wide range.
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Old 05-06-2007, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: Tough preflop decision - $90 live SNG

The answer depends on how comfortable you are playing with 6 BB (less once you post the SB next hand) 6 handed.

If SB knocks this guy out, it doesn't change really the order of things other than a player is gone. If CO wins, then he has you outstacked by a decent margin.

I would have a tendency to gamble it up and shove. You'll have no FE the next few hands anyway.

But, if you feel that you can shove with less than 6 BB on the guys to your left with impunity the next few hands (and/or re-pop SB later), then fold it.

Live is rigged anyway. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Slacka
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Old 05-06-2007, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: Tough preflop decision - $90 live SNG

shove so fast
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Old 05-06-2007, 11:21 PM
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Default Re: Tough preflop decision - $90 live SNG

You have to connect with the board to beat the all-in player. 450 behind is not enough to make the caller fold no matter how you do it. Do you have much of a pot equity edge? I think the answer is yes. Against a lower pair and Ax, you're about 3:2 behind getting almost 2:1 on your money. If you do win and collect a big stack, people in live events love to fold, and you have the stack to make them do it.

Shove it and love it.
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Old 05-07-2007, 02:18 AM
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Default Re: Tough preflop decision - $90 live SNG

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Shove it and love it.

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Old 05-07-2007, 02:41 AM
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Default Re: Tough preflop decision - $90 live SNG

Shove pretty fast
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