Worst ... rule ... ever

[Big_Ham]

So, here in FL, the only places to play are at dog/horse tracks and Indian Reservations. Max big bet is $2. NL tourneys exist, but the rakes are 25%+

Aside from all that ridiculousness, here's the situation I was in early in a MTT.

Blinds are 50/100, I have ~1600 chips remaining. UTG+1 raises to 300. I'm in MP, look down to AK. I verbally announce raise. I put my 300 in to call and look at my remaining stack, at which point I announce all-in and proceed to push the rest of my stack in the middle.

I'm interrupted by the dealer who informs me that my raise must be a min-raise because, regardless of the vagueness of my verbal indications (never indicated to what I was raising), I made 2 motions to the pot and I must min-raise. I protest, so the pit tool comes over and enforces the rule.

In case you care, the rest of the hand was:

Original raiser flat calls and the flop comes 8 high. He pushes, and I have to fold. He says he had QQ.

[Black Aces 518]

I think that's a pretty terrible rule, and a pretty terrible flop fold.

[Nuevo99]

So the rule saved you money then. Nice.

[Big_Ham]

Terrible flop fold? AK is only best preflop. Once the flop hits and you miss, it's junk with 2 to come. AK's biggest strength is the fold equity you gain by pushing preflop with it.

I lost a lot of +EV in my AK the second they made me min-raise. I thought my chips would go in better later in the game and I was wrong (wound up all in the next round with pocket 3's and M<5)

Honestly, I tilt-folded ... I'm more surprised I didn't tilt-call.

What makes calling the all in after the flop completely misses you the right thing to do?

[Big_Ham]

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So the rule saved you money then. Nice.

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Kinda, but not necessarily. River could have been an Ace, just like online. j/k, kinda ...

[CaseS87]

Terrible ruling. I don't know if 2.3-1 is good enough to make that call.

[Black Aces 518]

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Terrible flop fold? AK is only best preflop. Once the flop hits and you miss, it's junk with 2 to come. AK's biggest strength is the fold equity you gain by pushing preflop with it.

I lost a lot of +EV in my AK the second they made me min-raise. I thought my chips would go in better later in the game and I was wrong (wound up all in the next round with pocket 3's and M<5)

Honestly, I tilt-folded ... I'm more surprised I didn't tilt-call.

What makes calling the all in after the flop completely misses you the right thing to do?

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What range did you put the guy on preflop? I think he pretty much never has AA or KK here, based on how he played it. I think by making a fuss rather than accepting the minraise, you have shown that you have a medium strength hand, and your opponent can take advantage by stop and going you (not that I blame you for making a fuss, this is obv a huge part of the damage of bad rulings, they require the player to reveal hand strength often).

Giving a range of QQ-77, AQ+, AJs+, KQs and a flop of 853r, AKo has 47% equity.

[Big_Ham]

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Terrible flop fold? AK is only best preflop. Once the flop hits and you miss, it's junk with 2 to come. AK's biggest strength is the fold equity you gain by pushing preflop with it.

I lost a lot of +EV in my AK the second they made me min-raise. I thought my chips would go in better later in the game and I was wrong (wound up all in the next round with pocket 3's and M<5)

Honestly, I tilt-folded ... I'm more surprised I didn't tilt-call.

What makes calling the all in after the flop completely misses you the right thing to do?

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What range did you put the guy on preflop? I think he pretty much never has AA or KK here, based on how he played it. I think by making a fuss rather than accepting the minraise, you have shown that you have a medium strength hand, and your opponent can take advantage by stop and going you (not that I blame you for making a fuss, this is obv a huge part of the damage of bad rulings, they require the player to reveal hand strength often).

Giving a range of QQ-77, AQ+, AJs+, KQs and a flop of 853r, AKo has 47% equity.

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Agreed. I wouldn't have beat myself up over calling either, FYI. But given the situation, I felt folding was best.

I've seen this guy around before, but I doubt he's a big reader of 2+2 or other materials (written or digital) so I'm not sure he was going for the stop and go. I honestly believe he had QQ ... although my reasons for folding was that I definitely put him on a PP, so I have 6 outs and 2 to come. Not the odds I prefer.

[AngusThermopyle]

I hope that next time you follow the "rule".
Horrible or not, you are stuck with it.

[TMTTR]

Not a great rule, but certainly not the worst rule ever. If you knew what the rule was you would have accepted the ruling or acted differently.