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Heads Up QTo in the SB
Another respected poster and I were discussing this hand and decided to get MHSH's POV
Villian is a decent, aggressive 2+2er, possibly a bit new to the nuances of Heads Up play. Capable of making prudent calls and fold on the Flop. Fair, but not stellar board reader. Hero is SB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Hero raises, BB Calls. Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls. Turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] BB checks, Hero checks... |
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Re: Heads Up QTo in the SB
Turn is a value bet. River is usually a value bet.
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Re: Heads Up QTo in the SB
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Turn is a value bet. River is usually a value bet. [/ QUOTE ] I check here if he bluffs river enough becuase he c/f's a lot if u think he might c/r then bet |
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Re: Heads Up QTo in the SB
Does he really c/r here with much that we want him to? I mean, we're not all that sad if he c/r's, but I wouldn't be overly happy, either.
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Re: Heads Up QTo in the SB
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Does he really c/r here with much that we want him to? I mean, we're not all that sad if he c/r's, but I wouldn't be overly happy, either. [/ QUOTE ] we have a huge hand here HU. |
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Re: Heads Up QTo in the SB
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[ QUOTE ] Does he really c/r here with much that we want him to? I mean, we're not all that sad if he c/r's, but I wouldn't be overly happy, either. [/ QUOTE ] we have a huge hand here HU. [/ QUOTE ] We do indeed, but does that automatically mean we should bet here? Granted, almost always, but I don't think so this time. I'll add my $.02 after some other replies. |
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Re: Heads Up QTo in the SB
turn check is terrible
u have way the best of it and villains v rarely folding after that card falls |
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Re: Heads Up QTo in the SB
I agree in a HU match betting the turn should be the default.
Most "decent, aggressive 2+2er, possibly a bit new to the nuances of Heads Up play" will more often than not 3-bet an Ace preflop or c-r with a FD on the flop. They will also call down with anything like 56 esp if hero has an aggressive image. |
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Re: Heads Up QTo in the SB
Everyone is under the impression that hero's play on the Turn was a defensive check. It's not.
It's pretty clear that hero has the best hand on the Turn a HUGE % of the time. But against what? The turn card for most of our opponent's peeling range is very scary. There isn't a whole lot we are ahead of that doesn't fold to our Turn bet here. The pot is relatively small, and there are very few draws out there that I mind giving a free card to.(any K really) Those few times that we are behind here we are taking a free card with a very strong draw. So I was trying to discern whether or not those times we induce a bluff/ draw out has more value than when we miss a bet(or 2 possibly) against a weak spade drawing dead or near dead. |
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Re: Heads Up QTo in the SB
Nfinity,
Did you read my posts? That's what i said. The problem with this board in particular is that you are scared he is going to fold like 89 or something? He is almost always calling with any spade and unless you know he will bluff the river UI you should always bet here. He calls with a much bigger range than he bluffs the river with. I like this play a lot, which is why i was hesitant to post at first but this is a bad board for it. |
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