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Re: Stars Takes No Action Against Players Cheating In SNG
DOESN'T ANYBODY GIVE A [censored] ABOUT THE RULES ANYMORE?
Seriously dude, this is a really minor offence and everyone in this thread agrees with Stars that a warning is appropriate. If you disagree then don't play on Stars anymore, but honestly you must be either a nit or a losing player to give a toss about this happening in a $11 SNG. I've had this happen in a $109 SNG and I simply typed in chat "Hey shut up that's against the rules", which netted an apparently sincere apology from the guy, who probably just hadn't thought through what he was doing. That was it as far as I was concerned. Why get punitive against losing players? |
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Re: Stars Takes No Action Against Players Cheating In SNG
Don't think the buy is relevant. $11 SNG may be large to him. You think the action should be different if buy in was $1000+ or larger?
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Re: Stars Takes No Action Against Players Cheating In SNG
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When "cheating" there needs to be some evidence that the people breaking the rules had some knowledge that what they were doing is wrong. [/ QUOTE ] I really disagree with this. If another player is materially harmed by other players breaking the rules, then I don't think it matters a bit whether they knew the rules coming in. I think of it like a football game. If you agree to play a refereed football game then you can hardly complain when you get a face-masking penalty. I am kind of sick of the idiot excuse when the rules of play are available to everyone and are clearly spelled out. This player was harmed by some idiot and I think that Stars should simply be judging the monetary damage of the cheating and redistributing the prize money accordingly. |
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Re: Stars Takes No Action Against Players Cheating In SNG
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Don't think the buy is relevant. $11 SNG may be large to him. You think the action should be different if buy in was $1000+ or larger? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. The main thing is that players in a $11 are very likely to be inexperienced newbies. When it happened to me in a $109, the player who did it was pretty bad at poker, so I figured he's likely a newbie. If a regular did it, my reaction would be different. Also, yes again to punishment being more severe when larger sums of money are involved. We don't treat shoplifters identically to bank robbers in the real world. |
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Re: Stars Takes No Action Against Players Cheating In SNG
btw I agree that along with a warning, some small financial restitution should be made in the situation described by the OP. The rules are on their website, thus it should not be allowed for a player to ignore them without any penalty whatsoever.
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Re: Stars Takes No Action Against Players Cheating In SNG
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[ QUOTE ] Don't think the buy is relevant. $11 SNG may be large to him. You think the action should be different if buy in was $1000+ or larger? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. The main thing is that players in a $11 are very likely to be inexperienced newbies. When it happened to me in a $109, the player who did it was pretty bad at poker, so I figured he's likely a newbie. If a regular did it, my reaction would be different. Also, yes again to punishment being more severe when larger sums of money are involved. We don't treat shoplifters identically to bank robbers in the real world. [/ QUOTE ] So we can't have a table full of experienced $11 SNGers? I disagree. And what if $10,000 to blow on a tournament is nothing to me and I am inexperienced and I break the rules? Can we then say that no action be taken because I was inexperienced? THe REAL world response to shoplifting or bankrobbing depends on where and when(in time) that you live. Depending on these variables you could lose life and limb for either. Besides, your analogy suggests that their rule infractions were INTENTIONAL. |
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Re: Stars Takes No Action Against Players Cheating In SNG
the fact that there have been so many posts in this thread proves that this situation requires subject interpretation.
stars, using the information available to them, have made such a subjective intepretation. if you (OP) disagrees with that subjective intepretation, you should contact them and share your views. that's really all there is to this - some people (such as I) agree with stars, and others don't. there's no black/white answer here, and people who are suggesting otherwise are being caught up in their own importance. |
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Re: Stars Takes No Action Against Players Cheating In SNG
So did the "talker" show the hand down, or was he bluffing trying to win the tournament? Is it only cheating if he is telling the truth?
Is it wrong to "bluff" with table talk? Especially online, where there are no physical tells? I have often felt like typing "I have KK" when I really do, before pushing a small stack late in a tournament that I know both blinds and any Ax are going to call and bust me out. Would that be cheating? I did that live once with AA and KK called anyway and busted me out, no one complained about it then. |
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Re: Stars Takes No Action Against Players Cheating In SNG
I don't agree that the amount of money that was at stake should determine what the appropriate action is. The rules should protect the low limit players equally. I also think it does not matter if those players were aware of the fact that they are breaking the rules.
A simple warning might still be in order. That is hard to say if we don't know all the facts including the mucking player's hand. [ QUOTE ] We don't treat shoplifters identically to bank robbers in the real world. [/ QUOTE ] Stealing and robbery are two very different crimes. The reason they are punished differently is the not the amount of money involved. |
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Re: Stars Takes No Action Against Players Cheating In SNG
Players agree to the rules when they sign up whether they read them or not. If a player does something like this and didn't know it what wrong, its the players own fault and should still be punished.
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