Home game hand: TT overpair on coordinated board

[seke2]

Allright, this one came up a few weeks ago at a home game and still bugs me. I'd like some thoughts on this.

First, a quick note on the structure. Buyin is $30. You can rebuy until the first break. The rebuy is actually a "reload" in that you can only rebuy to bring your stack back to the initial starting point of 50k. You can rebuy a maximum of twice. If you haven't rebought twice at the first break, you can add-on for an extra 50k. So, basically, you almost always end the first hour around 100k chips, and I usually play it more like a $60 freezeout than a rebuy.

Effective stacks are about 50k for everyone involved. We are still in the rebuy stage and none of the relevent players in this hand have rebought yet.

Blinds 100/200

Hero raises to 700 from MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Both the SB and BB call.

SB and BB are probably the two best opponents in this game. SB will bet draws aggressively, BB is a generally solid overall player and likes to be a bit of a table captain. Both would probably reraise with JJ-AA, but they're both tricky enough to just call. Hero is very as a very solid but tight player.

Flop is 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Pot is 2100. SB bets out 1400. BB raises to 3600.

Action is on Hero?

[mattmcegg]

I think this is a fold seke. At first I thought about a call and pushing any non-diamond, but it looks like SB will be pushing with nut flush draw and 2 overs on the flop when action is back to him, and possible a bigger pair than your given your "trickiness" read.

[FortunaMaximus]

Fold. Presumably you'd need to turn a set then have the board pair for TT to be any good here. These stacks aren't nearly deep enough to justify even a coldcall.

[seke2]

For anyone who thinks this is a fold, would you play it different if you did have the T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?

[0evg0]

fold, and no to the t[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

[FortunaMaximus]

Definitely wouldn't change dynamics much. the valuation of a draw HU is only gonna drop 4.3%ish. Not enough to affect TT's strength.

[seke2]

Ok, thanks guys--I did fold, but I had a hell of a hard time with the fold.

Anyone play it differently with JJ-KK without a diamond, or AA without the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?

[FortunaMaximus]

Against good opponents with a wide range and great postflop play, all you got is an overpair in a high-interest pot.

So, no, not really, unless I was being sociable and wanted to donk off.

Same difference.

[Beachman42]

Dan,

Without reading the other responses yet, I'm leaning towards folding. What are you beating? If you put 1 on the Ad,X (not a d), then he has 12 outs twice or over a 45% chance of hitting. If you trust your read of not being up against JJ-AA, then I'd have to go with a F/S draw for one (prolly the SB based upon your read) and a pp <99 with prolly a d as one of the cards. You may be ahead here (or crushed by 22-44, but that's monsters under syndrome) BUT SB will get to act again and will likely push if he's drawing, right? Since its possible for either to hold JJ-AA, I don't like TT very much here. I fold.

[Beachman42]

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fold, and no to the t[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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Totally agree.