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New starting hand charts?
I am a winning player at .10/.20 2bb/100 40k and I am losing about .5bb/100 at .25/.50 10k. Very big swings...I assume its leaks in my game.
I still win more pots than i lose but it seems the wins are smaller than the losses. Once again leaks... The tables seem to get tight real quick and i was comfortable playing tag games but recently I seem to be having problems. Has anyone come up with a sshe starting hand chart for these new uber tight games? I find it hard to believe that 2 hand charts- loose and tight can account for the different degrees of each. It seems that very few loose tables exist anymore and tight is kinda general. In particular I mean the uber tight games. Yes I used the word "uber" [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img] I play slightly more loose than reccommended but I was able to make that up post flop. So yes I agree i need to play less hands. So here I am asking if the tight chart in sshe still is as valid as before? Do we need a couple tweaks? What's up Mason? |
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Re: New starting hand charts?
It sounds like you anwered the question on your own in the last paragraph of your post. You have 50k hands in, and probably don't need a chart. Focus on your post flop.
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Re: New starting hand charts?
EvilGenius,
If your playing on Stars I think I know you fairly well. I'd probably just say to tighten up a little bit but from what I've seen playing with you you are a solid player and maybe some of this is just game selection and adapting to the style of the table ur playing. Feel free to PM whenever as well. |
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Re: New starting hand charts?
Evil,
Here's something for you to splash around with at those levels. Perhaps it will gain some commentary. I came accross it a while back. <u>Early Position</u> Raise first in > AA-TT,(99 & 88 in tight blind winning games), AKs, AQs, AJs, AK, AQ, Play > 99-77, ATs, KQs, KJs, (QJs, QTs, JTs, T9s, KQ in passive games) Raise against callers > AA-TT, AKs-AJs, AK, AQ Against a raise > call > AKs, AQs, AJs Reraise > AA-TT, AK <u>Middle Position</u> Raise first in > AA-66, AKs-ATs, KQs-KJs, QJs, JTs, AK-AT Play > 88-66, ATs-A2s, KQs-KTs, QJs, QTs, JTs, T9s AJ, KQ, KJ Raise against callers > AA-99, AKs-AJs, AK, AQ Against a raise > call > AKs-AJs, KQs Reraise > AA-TT, AK <u>Late Position</u> Raise first in > Pairs, Aces, 2 big cards 9 and up, > slowplay AA Play > 88-55(44-2 with limpers), A9s-A2s, KTs, K9s, QJs-Q9s, JTs-J9s, T9s, AJ, AT, KQ-KT, QJ, QT, JT Button Only > T8s, 98s, 97s, 87s, 86s, 76s, 75s, 65s, 54s, Raise against callers > AA-99, AKs-ATs, KQs, KJs, QJs, QTs, JTs, T9s, 98s, AK, AQ Against a raise > call > AKs-AJs, KQs Reraise > AA-TT, AK Against a raise and cold callers > call > JJ-22, AKs-A2s, KQs, KJs, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s Raise > AA-QQ, AK I do agree with the above poster. Post Flop is where the game is played. |
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Re: New starting hand charts?
Yea you probably do know me as my name is pretty similar there. About the game selection I think you are right. I have the tendency to prefer the tighter tables as I understand the players and how they think. Plus I like testing myself against them. Not sure if i'm just on a downswing or what. I cleared a party $40 bonus the other day at the 1/2 tables and did ok made 14 in profit. I will be transfering that to stars as I dont have a 1/2 BR yet.
Adjusting to tables is something I have been working on. I think I am improving. I have lost most of the money on loose tables where my hands just havent been holding up lately. My problem with table selection is deciding when to leave when i finally have some reads and the table tightens up. I see a juicy 40-50 table and I leave for it and by the time PT kicks in its another 22... |
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Re: New starting hand charts?
Wow! .25/.50 is ubber tight?? I haven't played at this level in about a year, but when I played those games were loose and soft. I didn't have to do much table selection to find a good game.
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Re: New starting hand charts?
Try switching to paradise .25-.50 and use the loose chart.
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Re: New starting hand charts?
Can someone tell me if the above is verbatim out of SSH, or if it's pegboy's (semi) original work? If the former, I need to delete it out of respect for our good hosts' copyright.
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Re: New starting hand charts?
It's very similar but there are some differences, for example he suggests playing 88-66s, in middle position, whilst Miller says to play any pocket pair.
However Early position, seems pretty much identical. Edit: and the hands he suggests to play against a raise and a reraise are identical. |
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Re: New starting hand charts?
[ QUOTE ]
Can someone tell me if the above is verbatim out of SSH, or if it's pegboy's (semi) original work? If the former, I need to delete it out of respect for our good hosts' copyright. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think it is. It doesn't match up exactly. But I'm not master of copyright infringment strictness. I've never been accused of it in school though! As for the original poster. I wouldn't think about it in terms of charts. Yes SSHE is important. Pgs 65-75 detail the basic families of PF hands and goes into detail about their strengths and weakness. Knowing the pros and cons of each hand is far more valuable than any chart. As you go from table to table, site to site, or even hold'em popularity flow as a whole, you'll want to know those. If the games keep getting tighter, Know which hands to player more or less. If enough time goes by and tons of fish decide it's time to have poker fun again, know which hands to adjust your play with again. |
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