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Bax vs Steve ( Stars Stuper )
Bax is in the BB. Steve is UTG. I'm just an interested bystander.
I'm curious as to whats people put Bax on making a move like this. I think the hand that makes the most sense is a combo draw like AsJs. In my somewhat limited experience playing with Steve, I think his opening range from UTG is pretty tight. Something like 10+, AK/AQ. If my range is correct, this seems like a terrible flop to push on without a huge draw since Steve is calling almost every hand in his range. I guess he folds AK if he doesn't have the flush draw. I think Steve calls here with JJ. Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t25/t50 9 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: t1423 UTG+1: t1350 MP1: t1400 MP2: t1725 MP3: t1010 CO: t2342 Button: t2915 Hero: t1235 BB: t1035 Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to t150</font>, 6 folds, Hero folds, BB calls t100 <font color="#aaaaaa">(pot was t225)</font>. Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t325, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">BB is all-in t885</font> |
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Re: Bax vs Steve ( Stars Stuper )
KJ? 2 spades? AT?
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Re: Bax vs Steve ( Stars Stuper )
that's a crazy line frmo bax, because a flop like that has hit or helped everything in steve's range except big slick. I legitimately struggle to come up with a reasonable range for this play. |
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Re: Bax vs Steve ( Stars Stuper )
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that's a crazy line frmo bax, because a flop like that has hit or helped everything in steve's range except big slick. I legitimately struggle to come up with a reasonable range for this play. [/ QUOTE ] Ok. At least I'm not the only one. If he hit a monster, check raise is the obvious play. I was shocked when he moved in. I haven't played with him a lot, but I've watched all his xfactor videos. I've never seen him make such a strange move. |
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Re: Bax vs Steve ( Stars Stuper )
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[ QUOTE ] that's a crazy line frmo bax, because a flop like that has hit or helped everything in steve's range except big slick. I legitimately struggle to come up with a reasonable range for this play. [/ QUOTE ] Ok. At least I'm not the only one. If he hit a monster, check raise is the obvious play. I was shocked when he moved in. I haven't played with him a lot, but I've watched all his xfactor videos. I've never seen him make such a strange move. [/ QUOTE ] So do you think he was holding something like 1010,QQ+,AQ? Perhaps since he knew the flop helped Steve's range he was pushing to be less readable and hoped for a call? |
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Re: Bax vs Steve ( Stars Stuper )
even great players make stupid tilt-y moves sometimes. I think this was pretty clearly a massive mistake.
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Re: Bax vs Steve ( Stars Stuper )
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KJ? 2 spades? AT? Am I giving Bax too much credit? [/ QUOTE ] I don't think you're giving him enough. I'd be surprised to see him make the call preflop with KJ here, and likely AT as well. I think AK is the most likely hand here, but how often would he move all-in preflop if he had it? |
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Re: Bax vs Steve ( Stars Stuper )
I think the only explanation is that he hit a monster (2 pair or more) and, putting Steve on a very strong hand and with his push looking like a draw, he shoved.
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Re: Bax vs Steve ( Stars Stuper )
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[ QUOTE ] KJ? 2 spades? AT? Am I giving Bax too much credit? [/ QUOTE ] I don't think you're giving him enough. I'd be surprised to see him make the call preflop with KJ here, and likely AT as well. I think AK is the most likely hand here, but how often would he move all-in preflop if he had it? [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. Why not CR all-in with AK? If you're ahead, you're not very vulnerable to a free card coming off and you will undoubtedly get more value from a CR. And when you're behind, you get stacked regardless of how you play it. Makes no sense to be AK, IMO. |
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Re: Bax vs Steve ( Stars Stuper )
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I think the only explanation is that he hit a monster (2 pair or more) and, putting Steve on a very strong hand and with his push looking like a draw, he shoved. [/ QUOTE ] But we do all realize and agree that this is a mistake, right? Even if almost all of Steve's range hits that flop. |
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