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I\'m the first one to admit this is a crazy call
Villain has been playing TERRIBLY, I have seen him chase a gutshot, and bluff a huge amount on river only to get called by top pair. I have seen him value bet with slightly marginal holdings(raised like 500 chips into a 3k chip pot with bottom 2 pair, even though the other guy could have stacked him(there was a 4 straight on the board) but the other guy didn't have straight, but the fact that he reopened the betting made me think donk) So on to the hand, I went with my instincts on this, is this just a horrible horrible call, or one you can occasionally make against a donk?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com MP2 (t22390) MP3 (t11335) CO (t3200) Button (t7220) Hero (t16640) BB (t2650) UTG (t13555) UTG+1 (t4550) MP1 :#A500AF(Villain)/ (t13340) Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls t150, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls t150, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls t150, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks. I almost always complete with 100xBB, mistake? Flop: (t750) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, Villain calls t300, MP3 folds. I meant to bet 450 but my hands were cold, and I like must have missed the last click but I went to the bet button before my eyes caught it. Turn: (t1350) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t600</font>, Villain calls t600. This turn card doesn't scare me as much as others, so I bet into him HU. River: (t2550) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Villain bets t12290 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t12290. Pretty good card for my hand, and the only way I will get much out of this particular donk will be to check and let him bluff at it. I just felt this was a bluff right away, so I thought for about 10 seconds and called mistake? Final Pot: t27130 |
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Re: I\'m the first one to admit this is a crazy call
If Villain has been playing as terribly as you say, good call on the river. Your reads make this unfoldable.
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Re: I\'m the first one to admit this is a crazy call
it's not terrible at all particularly given your read on villain.
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Re: I\'m the first one to admit this is a crazy call
With this read, I make this call pretty much all the time.
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Re: I\'m the first one to admit this is a crazy call
Hmmmn.
You've got an M of about a bazillion. You're playing 93o out of position against a guy who could have any two -- because his play pretty much defies logical reads. You believe he's a much weaker player. So you decide to build a pot with top pair, no kicker, and to keep building when it becomes second pair, no kicker, on a board with straight possibilities. When that turns into two pair for you, and only 6% of your chips are in the middle, you're ready to call his all-in for just about all your stack. Lordy. It might work out OK for you. Or he might have a set of threes or 67/7J/JQ to make a straight. Or even a better two pair. In all those cases, your stack just evaporated. Call me weak-tight, but with that many chips and that much sloppy play all around me, getting involved in this sort of hand -- at every street -- feels very rash. If you give Villain a little more time, he should make some much more obviously stupid play when you've got better cards, no? |
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Re: I\'m the first one to admit this is a crazy call
Your logic makes sense except for the fact that he'll probably be busted before you get a chance to play a pot against him. Why not get the chips when you can? True, this is not what I would call and ideal situation, but based on reads calling can't be wrong, or too wrong. I might have found a check in me on the turn, though.
Bruce |
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Re: I\'m the first one to admit this is a crazy call
Quite the contrary, that turn bet was made for the exact reason of NOT building a pot. I felt I could keep him from betting on the turn by leading, it would suck to check, then for him to put in a big bet that I can't call, especially when I feel that I am going to be ahead almost everytime here. And just for the record, I was going to lead the river if a face card, an A, a 7, a 3 or 9 didn't hit, I was going to check fold face cards, A and 7, and I was probably going to check call a 9 or 3 depending on my instincts.
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Re: I\'m the first one to admit this is a crazy call
I almost always complete when i have 100x too but 93o one of the hands i don't complete with. I play the rest of the hand the same way given your reads
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Re: I\'m the first one to admit this is a crazy call
So it's a blocking bet on the turn.
Tactically that makes perfect sense. It's kind of annoying to be at a situation, though, where 20 cards on the river leave us playing check/fold. And that's on a board that was "favorable" to our 93o starting hand. I'm all in favor of completing with funky hands from the SB in the middle stages of a tournament when we can do so cheaply. But wouldn't 97o or 43o be more appealing? If we've got a straight draw, then there's a chance we can play confidently for a very big pot. Even allowing for the fact that we're playing against a loon, 93o just seems like a ticket to headaches. That said, if he pushed with KK or AT or something that you beat, bravo to you! You've got more guts than I do. |
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Re: I\'m the first one to admit this is a crazy call
he had KQo
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