how can this NOT be collusion?

[Josh.]

i have a shitload of work to do so of course i start sweating the ub 300/600 game. everything seemed normal. no big pots recently, no huge suckouts, no signs of tilt

then this happens. A is a very well-known online high limit player. B seems to be playing ok too though i have not seem him around. C is the victim and from watching, he seems to be a huge LAG. he accused them of cheating after the hand and immediately left.

i am posting this because it's extremely disconcerting. i could understand how A and B would think that C doesn't have much of a hand since he's so aggressive when he does. but even if C folded, B would've had to fold and it would've looked terrible. i can't imagine good players could be this stupid.

i'll admit i don't know how these games play but this defies all logic


Hand #30428937-13526 at Owen Sound ($300/$600 Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 02/Apr/06 05:22:12

C is at seat 0 with $31183.
A is at seat 2 with $15011.50.
B is at seat 3 with $22025.
FooledUB is at seat 4 with $61296.
The button is at seat 3.

FooledUB posts the small blind of $150.
C posts the big blind of $300.

C: -- --
A: -- --
B: -- --
FooledUB: -- --

Pre-flop:

A raises to $600. B re-raises to $900.
FooledUB folds. C calls. A
re-raises to $1200. B calls. C calls.


Flop (board: 5c 4d 9d):

C checks. A bets $300. B
raises to $600. C calls. A calls.


Turn (board: 5c 4d 9d 2s):

C checks. A bets $600. B
raises to $1200. C calls. A
re-raises to $1800. B calls. C calls.


River (board: 5c 4d 9d 2s 7h):

C checks. A bets $600. B
raises to $1200. C calls. A folds.




Showdown:

B shows Jh 8h.
B has Jh 8h 5c 9d 7h: jack high.
C shows 5d 7d.
C has 5d 7d 5c 9d 7h: two pair, sevens and fives.


Hand #30428937-13526 Summary:

$2 is raked from a pot of $13950.
C wins $13948 with two pair, sevens and fives.
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[whodaman]

wow that looks terrible, i would report them. You can't claim cheating from a single hand, but this sure looks bad.

[ggbman]

Holy jesus that is such flagrant collusion. [censored] SICK. Those two should be kicked off the [censored] internet.

[ALL1N]

I reckon you should post the real hand history.

[Josh.]

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I reckon you should post the real hand history.

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i'm really hesitant to do that until more people agree with me. as i said, one of them is a pretty big name player so i don't want to accuse him of cheating (yet)

[TStoneMBD]

this is definitely collusion and as i said over aim they should be chastised by making their names public.

[ALL1N]

Has UB been notified?? Maybe don't out them until there's a response from UB. It'd suck if they read this thread and cashed out before they got busted.

[Josh.]

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Has UB been notified?? Maybe don't out them until there's a response from UB. It'd suck if they read this thread and cashed out before they got busted.

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i did

[jgorham]

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I reckon you should post the real hand history.

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i'm really hesitant to do that until more people agree with me. as i said, one of them is a pretty big name player so i don't want to accuse him of cheating (yet)

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I don't really care since I don't play those limits. But it sure seems like anyone who does deserves to make their own conclusions from anything this suspicious. Posting the hand is making no accusations, just showing that you found it suspicious enough to let potential opponents decide for themselves.

[jgorham]

This definitely looks like cheating to me (collusion or one guy on two accounts). It really makes me curious what hand A held if the hand that had to showdown was J high. I would think the extra $1200 would be worth it even if A had just ace high. I hope the site responds.