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01-09-2006, 04:45 AM
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Re: Poker=Gambling
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Would someone please quote some text or post a link explaining why playing winning poker is gambling. TY [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Ed Miller: Poker=Gambling [ QUOTE ] No matter what stakes you play for, poker IS gambling. If you do not like that, I suggest you try solitare instead. Those who fear action will never be successful poker players. [/ QUOTE ] Funny, Ed's post title is identical to yours. Also, I just watched Annie Duke's DVD, in which she explains that poker IS NOT gambling. I think Ed is right. Edit: I realized Ed's comments there aren't actually an explanation. So I went looking for something better: Strike one Strike]http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/show...st290121]Strike two Strike]http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/show...amp;vc=1]Strike three Oh well. The last one is quite funny, though. Dynasty gives Ed hell for wanting to fold a flush draw on the flop in a 6-handed pot. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] 
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01-09-2006, 10:30 AM
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Re: Poker=Gambling
gam·ble ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gmbl)
v. gam·bled, gam·bling, gam·bles v. intr. 1 - To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest. 2 - To play a game of chance for stakes. 3 - To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit. 4 - To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke. Certainly, definitions 1 and 3 apply to poker.
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#5
01-09-2006, 01:59 PM
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Re: Poker=Gambling
Definition 2 works as well. Poker is definitely a game of chance. A winning poker player just picks his spots to play so that he is the favorite in the gamble.
Just like the casinos do when they install slot machines and spread blackjack. Speaking of Ed Miller and gambling, there is also a section in SSHE where Ed discusses the fact that poker is gambling and how claiming it's not gambling can be hazardous.
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#6
01-10-2006, 03:19 PM
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Re: Poker=Gambling
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Definition 2 works as well. Poker is definitely a game of chance. A winning poker player just picks his spots to play so that he is the favorite in the gamble. [/ QUOTE ] Thats a pure contradiction. If you have an edge, I don't consider it gambling. Are casino owners gambling by taking a 60/40 edge in their games?
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#7
01-10-2006, 03:39 PM
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Re: Poker=Gambling
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Thats a pure contradiction. If you have an edge, I don't consider it gambling. Are casino owners gambling by taking a 60/40 edge in their games? [/ QUOTE ] You may not consider it gambling, but it is gambling. Just because you have an edge, does not take the gamble out. Casinos do gamble. Their advantage is that they have an edge and a bankroll to sustain them over the long term. Also, it's rare for a casino to have a 3:2 edge. Usually it's much smaller than that; even slots aren't that good for the casino. There's nothing wrong with gambling, and this need to justify it as "skill" is misplaced and dangerous. Over the short run, gambling is very luck dependent even when you have an edge. People gamble every day of their lives - even those who don't think they are. The stock market is a great example; anyone with a 401K or similar device is gambling. Regards, T
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#8
01-10-2006, 04:04 PM
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Re: Poker=Gambling
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There's nothing wrong with gambling, and this need to justify it as "skill" is misplaced and dangerous. Over the short run, gambling is very luck dependent even when you have an edge. People gamble every day of their lives - even those who don't think they are. The stock market is a great example; anyone with a 401K or similar device is gambling. Regards, T [/ QUOTE ] That's cool. If we're going to call (skillful) poker gambling, we have to call all sorts of jobs and experiences gambling because luck is a factor in numerous business & moneymaking ventures.
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#9
01-11-2006, 03:50 AM
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Re: Poker=Gambling
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Would someone please quote some text or post a link explaining why playing winning poker is gambling. TY [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Because some people choose to define the word "gambling" in a way that describes poker. You asked a semantic question, so the answer is "semantics."
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#10
01-11-2006, 03:42 PM
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Re: Poker=Gambling
When someone plays BJ in a casino, are they gambling?
I think they are. When 2 parties are betting on the outcome of an unknown event, are they BOTH gambling? Can one party BE gambling and the other NOT? I don't think so. So.. The person in the casino playing BJ IS gambling Consequently the casino is ALSO gambling on that event. The casio sometimes win's / sometimes loses. They have (as we know) a small edge. So over time they make a profit. Where is the confusion as to whether or not BJ / poker / etc / etc is gambling? Regards, Ian
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