What do I do?

tarantulabob · #1 03-23-2006, 06:00 PM

Stars 1000FPP with WSOP Entry to first place

Feel free to fry me for even playing this hand.....
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter

UTG (t2245)
UTG+1 (t1505)
MP1 (t5400)
Hero (t4000)
MP3 (t1155)
CO (t4170)
Button (t2095)
SB (t1145)
BB (t1960)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero calls t50, 4 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (t175) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t100, BB raises to t500, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls t400.

Turn: (t1175) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t1410 (All-In), Hero ???

seke2 · #2 03-23-2006, 06:02 PM

Fold preflop.
Check/fold flop.
(Fold flurn if one occurs)
Insta fold turn.

Can you give ANY rationalization as to why you played any street of this hand in the fashion you played it?

flopking · #3 03-23-2006, 06:05 PM

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Can you give ANY rationalization as to why you played any street of this hand in the fashion you played it?

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He thought it was sooted. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

tarantulabob · #4 03-23-2006, 06:08 PM

guess i deserved this response...i'm still learning this stupid game :-)

Limped on a whim
Bet the flop when everyone checked
Called the re-raise on the draw and because I figured it was a standard C/R from the BB

seke2 · #5 03-23-2006, 06:13 PM

1) Don't limp on a whim. 54o sucks. If you ever play 54o, it should be from one of the blinds when nobody raises preflop.

2) Bluffing the flop with position is not always a bad idea when you aren't going to call if anyone check/raises, when it's just a pure bluff. However, you now have a hand which really wants to see a turn card cheaply to possibly improve to the nuts or near-nuts. If you had a 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] here, I wouldn't hate the bet because you have such a monster draw that you don't mind a check/raise because you can push over it. You can't stand a C/R because your hand is weak, here but you do want to see the next card. Check.

3) I have no idea what a "standard C/R" is but when I have a terrible hand and nothing but an OESD and the BB check/raises me on a complete rag board, and I'm getting worse than 2:1 odds to call the raise, I don't call. If you are convinced that he's on a total steal, you could reraise him again. I wouldn't, I fold now. You tried a bluff and it failed, give up. You should have just checked in the first place to see if the turn improved your hand.

tarantulabob · #6 03-23-2006, 06:17 PM

Now that's feedback. I love this place.
(no hint of sarcasm intended, this is just what i need to improve) Thanks seke!

seke2 · #7 03-23-2006, 06:22 PM

Oh, and, if not completely obvious, fold the turn.

Even if he's on a total bluff, he's ahead of you, since you are pretty close to the nut low right now. I'll assume he has at least 1 pair, so your only outs are 3's and maybe 8's. There's even a very chance you're drawing dead if he had T8, and a slightly higher chance that an 8 would give him a better straight.

So I'd count it as around 7.5 clean outs, discounting for the off chance that he has a better straight or could draw to one. That gives you a roughly 16% chance of winning, or about 6:1. It would cost you 1410 to win 2585, which is about 1.8:1. If you can't instafold that, you need to work on your math.

willie · #8 03-23-2006, 06:17 PM

i fold to the rr on the flop

bottom open ended and there is a potential flush draw

you have to fold on the turn regardless though.

CieloAzor · #9 03-23-2006, 09:36 PM

Preflop, limping behind with 54o is not as terrible as has been said, but it's usually uncalled for, and not a good habit for a beginner to get into.

Personally, I like the flop bet. The BB's check-raise probably indicates that he flopped 2 pair a lot of the time, but even if it's just a 6 or 7 that didn't believe you, you're still drawing to straight outs only. Given the meager odds/implied odds you're being laid, I really don't think you can call. He's usually gonna stick the rest of his stack in on the turn so you're only paying for one card.

If he had raised to 200 or 300, I call for sure and try to stack him. I think check/folding the flop is pretty silly.

Turn is an easy fold.

seke2 · #10 03-24-2006, 11:02 AM

First off, CieloAzor, you're in North Wales? That's nuts. So am I, at the moment, I live in Norristown. Do you ever play Riverchasers?

Second, I think betting the flop is fine as long as you're smart about how you react to a check/raise. Here, I don't bet because I want to see a turn card with this hand, and Hero has position, so you can check the flop and know you're getting a turn card. If you're going to call a gigantic check/raise like this, it's horrible. If you're willing to call a check/minraise or something, ok, fine. But you should have a plan when you bet as to what you will do if you are check/raised.