anyone else here grind out 20K /year without any software help?

Annulus · #1 03-11-2006, 01:44 AM

i guess this might come off as somewhat of a brag post but that is not my intentions. i was just thinking about this while reading a post in another forum if its possible to be a big winner without any poker traker, HUD, SNG, ICM calculator etc... well, i am, i won over 30K last year, some of it in MTTs, but majority grinding out 55s and 109s, and now the 77s. am i rare? btw,, im off to an even better start this year, but sorry I cant tell you exact ROIs or ITM's.

pr0crast · #2 03-11-2006, 01:46 AM

Well, once you've used SNGPT for awhile you dont really have to use it anymore... And many people use PT just for record keeping purposes... and I dont think HUDs are as useful for SNGs as they are for cash games, and not even for cash games as much anymore since you can't datamine party. So, my guess is that many people are the same as you. No big accomplishment.

Annulus · #3 03-11-2006, 01:53 AM

ive been wondering about this for some time, but just now posted this. i know im not a poker playing wonderkid (im actually in my 30s), i think my greatest attributes are good sng math instincts and psychology. i sometimes wonder how good i am, as far as statistics go. but to be truthful, the reason i don't have the software is because i suck at computers, and don't have a clue as to how to work those things, and on top of that i dont have any real poker playing freinds. so, im not dogging the softwares, i actually think i would learn something from it, but oh well.

adanthar · #4 03-11-2006, 02:35 AM

You don't need SNGPT if you know what it will say, but you absolutely need PT and PAHUD to max your potential. If you really can't figure out how to use them, ask a neighbor's kid to install them for 20 bucks while you watch - it'll take him 10 minutes.

I learned how to play w/o them at Bodog and other sites that aren't supported, but when everyone around you is using stuff like that (and, for example, can read every hand you've ever shown down if they manage to forget how you play, all in <5 minutes) you are at a huge disadvantage.

Nottom · #5 03-11-2006, 02:54 AM

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You don't need SNGPT if you know what it will say, but you absolutely need PT and PAHUD to max your potential.

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Do you really think these are all that important for SNGs?

Annulus · #6 03-11-2006, 08:23 AM

one thing i do very seriously is take players notes (on screen), i often make note if a person is a multi-tabler, in which case they are often 2p2ers, i also make note if i notice solid (push-bot) play, and if i know that they are a 2p2er. these notes help me tremendously as far as stealing, folding, bluffing etc... but for the most part i think sngs are about the cards and not really 'playing' poker. of course big blind sng is a different animal more so. i guess what im getting at is how much does pahud or any other DB really help? im sure it could hurt you just the same. i would love to see hand examples showing how much PAHUD really helps.

XXsooted · #7 03-11-2006, 08:30 AM

I've been successful on high stakes sngs for a few years and just started on 2+2 last week. But at least the programs made me realize I was luckboxing my way to success.
I don't think anyone can seriously say they're maximixing their profits without trying these programs.

EasilyFound · #8 03-11-2006, 10:09 AM

What is PAHUD?

tboss888 · #9 03-11-2006, 01:47 AM

well, if its not broke, dont fix it. If you are happy with your results, keep going. I think the post game analysis really improved my game but who knows, it might make you a losing player.

suzzer99 · #10 03-11-2006, 03:21 AM

I use SNGPT, but no HUD or PT or anything, and I made $10k in from 1/15 to a week ago. But I'm now down $2,200 in the last week and counting... when I started this reply it was $1,800.