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11-20-2007, 01:36 PM
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Good Fold or playing too tight?
OK, no real reads on my opponents yet. I am thinking my play here is standard this early in a sng. Just wanted some insight. Would calling here be -EV over time or should I loosen up a little at these levels.
I was certain one of these two donks had QQ+ Full Tilt Poker No Limit Holdem Tournament/2.25 Blinds: t25/t50 9 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: t1385 UTG+1: t880 MP1: t1575 MP2: t1705 MP3: t2320 CO: t1500 Button: t960 Hero: t1555 BB: t1620 Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG calls t50 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t75)</font>, 3 folds, MP3 calls t50 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t125)</font>, CO calls t50 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t175)</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t225</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to t650</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises all-in t1500</font>, Hero folds, BB calls t850 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t2400)</font>. I was a bit confused by c/o limping and then to push over the top facing a raise and reraise. Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t3325, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3325) Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t3325, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3325) River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t3325, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3325) Results: Final pot: t3325 Turns out I would have won here, but I wonder if this same scenario was played out 10 times if it would prove profitable, I don't think so, but lets get the communties view here. 
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#2
11-20-2007, 01:37 PM
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Re: Good Fold or playing too tight?
Don't raise to begin with.
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#3
11-20-2007, 01:41 PM
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Re: Good Fold or playing too tight?
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Don't raise to begin with. [/ QUOTE ] Can you help me understand? B/c OOP?
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#4
11-20-2007, 01:50 PM
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Re: Good Fold or playing too tight?
Yeah, OOP and never picking it down before the flop.
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#6
11-20-2007, 11:11 PM
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Re: Good Fold or playing too tight?
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Action is very scary. It looks like a fold, but I'm not sure in a $2.25. [/ QUOTE ] This thread is the perfect example of why you put the stakes in the title. When I got started playing the 3.5s I'd push AK and get called all day by A10+ and even just random garbage. I remember one 3.5 where UTG pushed AI 1st hand, UTG+1 calls AI, I'm UTG+2 with KK and call. UTG flips over a-10, UTG+1 shows 5-3s. Either just push (b/c of low stakes) or complete and c/f if you miss. As played, it depends on your edge over this field. If you've been on 2+2 long enough you crush this level it's probably a fold.
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#7
11-20-2007, 02:53 PM
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Re: Good Fold or playing too tight?
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Don't raise to begin with. [/ QUOTE ] i think the raise is fine. but 225 is way too big. 130-150 is a decent raise, and id fold to the action
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#8
11-20-2007, 07:13 PM
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Re: Good Fold or playing too tight?
FWIW, I would have done exactly what you did... only possible difference is a slightly smaller raise, but likely would have tried to make it as pricey as you did.
BTW, WTH did they have there? KQ and AJ or something crazy like that? I would have expected the limp/push in the CO to have about 66-TT if you hadn't said you would have won the pot.
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#9
11-21-2007, 02:53 PM
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Re: Good Fold or playing too tight?
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FWIW, I would have done exactly what you did... only possible difference is a slightly smaller raise, but likely would have tried to make it as pricey as you did. BTW, WTH did they have there? KQ and AJ or something crazy like that? [/ QUOTE ] You are exactly right! However, i was not really concerned about the outcome, since I feel if I am put in this position time and time again, I find it standard to fold to this madness early on. I find it more interesting that the community thinks that a raise here was bad... I have a fairly tight image at tables, and usually end up showing down worthy hands. But more importantly is the level I play at. For instance, when I play 20-30 sng's with my best friend, I find those levels much different. I feel that at the 2dollar level, you have players like myself who are striving to be a winning player, and those who just "flip coins", a common mistake for beginners. I have been on 2p2 some time now and I really have improved substantially. I have more than doubled my BR since late July and have not looked back. I appreciate all your thoughts here and put in the same position, may indeed play the hand different PreFlop next time. Being a game of many situations requires constant adjustment and a lust to be a "winner".
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#10
11-20-2007, 08:42 PM
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Re: Good Fold or playing too tight?
Why the lower raise? It seems to me you are giving good odds to everyone to call, which means you don't eliminate any players. I would think that being out of position, you would either call or make a large raise (300-ish) to win the pot right there. My personal thinking is that the call is more appropriate in this case, since your hand is likely to be best but isn't dominant.
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