Full Tilt $30 MTT; QQ in the BB

[levAA]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t20/t40
8 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t1305
<font color="red"> UTG+1: t1325 </font>
MP1: t3070
MP2: t1750
CO: t1485
Button: t2365
SB: t615
<font color="red"> hero: t1125 </font>

Pre-flop: (8 players) hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t40 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t60)</font>, MP1 calls t40 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t100)</font>, 3 folds, SB calls t20 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t140)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to t160</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to t600</font>

A hand from todays $30+3 on FT. Field was quite small - 60 participants and it was quite early. I had been active, playing some SC in LP with something like 30/20 on PAH.

Villain was Rags007, a good player, who knows what he is doing. He has been moved to our table 5 hands ago and it was the first hand he was in.

[Edgar_spadix]

This limp reraise is almost always aa/kk and sometimes ak, so at best you're flipping. This is an easy fold for me.

[bruno_pro]

if he just moved to your table, i'd guess he doesn't know anything about your active image... so it shouldn't be taken into account..

if he's a good player that knows what he's doing, i think folding is correct, although i would do it only if I had been playing good poker and push after a while thinking if on tilt or lacking patience.. lol

[tomek322]

I saw 3 l/r PF yesterday... AJ, 88, 33.

I think people have started to use this play more liberally than when Doyle Brunson wrote SS. I shove it.

[TheFoxNL]

seeing its early
i shove
if its AA/KK/AK and lose i just start up new tourney

[levAA]

bump

[wizard]

tomek 322
I have seen the same thing. Shove and if AA or KK you can say NH and pray for a suckout while you open the tourny schedule to register for the next one.

[levAA]

The interesting point on this hand is that UTG+1 had 2 limpers behind him.

Therefore I gave him a wider range for his 3-bet, than I would do if we were heads-up, as he has to kick out the limpers.

So the end of the story:

I typed in the chat-box "KK+?" and shoved - he turned over KK and I lost. Still I think the shove was correct on this situation imo.

[OrrLives]

This will almost always be QQ+ or AK.

If it was heads up, then shoving might be more correct. But in my experience players (especially decent players) tend not make these type of plays in a 4way field without a really good hand.

[ChipSpeak]

I agree Lev, his range is too wide to get away from this, I think I do what you did... nh.